I generally stand, facing the toilet, apply the TP to the center of my hole, press firmly and then wipe forward for the release. This continues until nothing appears on the TP. The last wipe or two will generally

penetrate my anus slightly.

A little off topic, but this is something I've always wondered. How do blind people know when they're done wiping their ass?

Good God Wiper, I think we had a little too much detail!

oh my bod tbw! youre like the first person ive heard of thats over the age of five who wipes standing up! i do to and like i ask people all the time how they wipe and most say they lean over and wipe or whatever but no body stands up !!!!! thats just way cool! i love you. go poop!

Grab beach towel. Floss. Repeat until the stench trench is clean.

I stand up to wipe too. It's just a lot easier that way, it seems. It makes it easier to see when you are done wiping, plus you can see how much paper you're getting in the toilet, thus preventing back-ups.

Whoa there, gutbuster! I have too much detail in my wipe description? (BTW, that's not the first time I've discussed this. Dave asked me to elaborate on my standing wiping techniques when I first joined. It was in one of my first posts on the site.)

Anyhoo--and I say this with the utmost admiration for your highly-detailed, very graphic and hilarious Alaskan pooping stories--I am having trouble believing you think that my clinical description of my standing wipe technique is 'too much.' (I forgot to mention I just my ass out.) This is poopreport.com, not Miss Manners. Hey, if we can't talk poop and pee and wipe and grunt and fart and plop on here, what's the point?

LOL--Mr. Cherry-Pit-Diarrhea-In-A-Porta-Potty-On-A-Bicycling-Date! I love your stuff, man, but it's not G-rated. What's a wipe from The Big Wiper compared to that?

Also: I would like to know the answer to Stork's question, too. How DO blind people know when they're through wiping? Does someone have to be in there with them to advise? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

TBW- Hi old friend...quick question on your wiping technique: Are your turds really solid? I know I've had occasion when I could barely just make it to the bowl with a goo-boy coming on strong, so strong it occasionaly breaches the seal a little bit. Smears a tad on the cheekage, so I've got double wiping duty to do: not just the hole, but the surrounding landscape as well. As such: If you're turds are like rock, then your technique will probably work...but if they're not, once you stand, it seems to reason that a certain amount of ofal will be racked into the crack. And, if you've got a butt, when you stand, it seems to reason that you'll have to dig deeper into the fold to hit the spot...if the banks of the River Stynx are unclean, so becomes your wrist. I'm definitly a sit-wiper. Keeps the cheeks (which aren't large in my case, I'm 5'8" and 160lbs) apart, yielding easy access to the brown hatch.

How do blind people know when they're done wiping? I'VE GOT THE ANSWER: Why do you think they have dogs? Self-cleaning TP, if you know what I mean...

I have been meaning to develop this very subject into a story about my new unplanned wiping techniques.

Some of you may have read my piece about my sciatica: http://www.poopreport.com/Techniques/Content/Pain/pain.html

Ever since I have developed this condition my wiping has never been the same. In the morning my back is stiff and I can't bend like I used to.

Bottom line I can't get as clean as I want to without pain.

I plan on writing a story about this in the future, I have had some funny experiences, I will explain them more then.

I stand up infront of the shitter and wipe between both cheeks

Hi, Dave J! Que pasa? I trust we've both dropped many a good one since our last pithy encounter. Me, I've been on the road a lot as usual, so I've pow-wowed with the porcelain in three different states, including many hotel rooms, a lobby or two, a restaurant or two, and a college tennis complex and baseball stadium for good measure. There are days I will swear to myself I will stop this daily crapping I seem to be addicted to, but somehow I just never seem to get around to it. Breakfast, lunch and dinner get in the way.

Well, in fact, Moderator Dave asked me pretty much the same question about 'smearage' on that first post of mine I mentioned. I answered that to avoid that very calamity, you must also stick your ass out and bend your knees, lowering your center of gravity. Although you might be quite a sight to see (if you don't have complete privacy), the technique I am describing is quite sound, whether you have had a solid BM or a runny one. Try it next time you take a dump, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

BTW, I explained to Moderator Dave and Company then that there were circumstances in which I would remain seated to wipe. For instance, if I were using a cramped closed stall and there simply was not enough room for a decent standing wipe. I remember a funny response to my comment on my ass-jutting-out-and- bending-over description from one of my pals--AssBlaster2000. She asked rather irreverently: "Big Wiper, do you use the facing-the-toilet, bending-knee, ass-sticking-out technique on an open stall?" (She knew I had used them from time to time.) And I replied that out of courtesy to others, I reversed myself in those situations and faced forward rather than towards the toilet. LOL! I also have to say that this erudite and witty exchange all of us are having on the subject of wiping is part of the Charmin...er, charm, rather, of PR, to may way of thinking.

Doniker, I'm looking forward to your story. No doubt, some helpful info coming up there. Peace!

I cant see standing and facing the toilet...women have to do things a little differently. Anatomy is destiny, and thats yet another reason why we go through TP at a faster rate than the boys do.

Unlike guys, girls and women have to guard against urinary tract infections from improper wiping. In street language, we need one wad of paper to clean the pussy first.

Once cooch cleanliness is achieved, then we head for the back door. That means a second wad of TP. I sit on the toilet but lean forward, pass my right hand through my legs, and clean first the butt crack, then the starfish, applying gentle but firm pressure, in a Squeegee kind of motion. If I sense that some Klingons are still present, Ill repeat the process with TP wad #3.

If I still sense that there's some crud that wont let go, I wet a fourth wad of TP and do it again. This is rare, but some turds are fiendishly gluey and make it hard to achieve a clean asshole.

(Note: good ass hygeine is not neurotic. If you allow little crumbs of poo to accumulate in the pucker lines around your anus, these can put you at risk of an anal fissure--and you DONT want one of those.

Some cultures consider us filty barbarians for using paper; In Islamic countries and India it is customary to use a jug of water and one's left hand. Thats why the left hand is NEVER used when one eats, and you never, ever shake hands using your left hand.

Poopers, I'm in a hotel room on the road and just finished watching the destruction of Pompeii on the Discovery Channel. Fired up the laptop again and found your latest posts in the thread. And that's when it hit me. Your posts are like the Discovery Channel. Interesting. Informative. Newsy, yet casual.

The differences in wiping techniques that anatomy dictates are as interesting to me as the whole issue of men standing to pee (as they are taught to do) and women sitting to pee (as they are instructed to do). Men, of course, can sit to pee if they want to, but it takes some extra effort on a woman's part to pull off a standing pee. In the end, the reality is that it's easier for men to stand and women to sit. I do think anatomy, rather than socialization, is more a determining factor here.

I'm quite sure there are men who wipe the same way you do, if only because they were taught to wipe by their mothers or older sisters. I had a roommate in college who wiped exactly the way you described--through the legs from the front. There were four of us guys sharing a small suite bathroom, and it was typical for one of us to be on the toilet while another may have been shaving or showering. As a result, we all became familiar with each other's bathroom habits. The other three of us used to tease Pick (we called him) for wiping from the front, and he confirmed that his sister taught him to wipe.

I like to stand and face the toilet for a number of reasons. I can get a visual of my shit, confirming that everything looks normal. I also like the feeling of stretching after sitting, and with the knee-bending and ass-jutting, it really is efficient for me, as compared to having to lift one leg or the other to the side. Also, by the time I've finished wiping in a seated position, I've filled the toilet with those wipes and covered up the shit so I can't get that visual. An alternative would be to stand up and get a visual on the turd after it's dropped but before you've wiped. In which case it seems that to remain standing for the wipe would be more energy-efficient.

I suspect there must be fix or six principal ways of wiping when all is said and done. Lift right leg, wipe from behind; lift left leg, wipe from behind; shift both legs forward and wipe from behind; spread legs wide and wipe from in front; stand and face away from toilet to wipe; stand and face the toilet to wipe. I'll bet most people fall into one of those descriptions.

Thus ends my contribution to tonight's Discovery Channel thread.

I just can't wait to hear Doniker's story about his sciatica again. Talk about a pain in the ass!

P.S. Poopers, I know you are right about women going through TP much faster than guys. One weekend not too long ago, I had my divorced ladyfriend, my brother and sister-in-law and her sister staying with me for a Theater Arts/Sports Weekend. The three women in the house went through three rolls of TP in two days. (Let me say here that some of it was also used by them to remove makeup, as I discovered when I emptied the trash cans in the bathrooms.)

MY technique:

I am a half-stander first of all. The first wipe is a wet glob of TP. This becomes tricky when in a public restroom because if I don't grab a wad and wet it beforehand I have to do that whole "waddle to the sink with your pants down to your ankles hoping that someone doesn't come in" thing. I usually plan ahead though as I have come to accept my obsessive-compulsive quirks. It is always an upwipe. Second is a dry upwipe. Third is a dry downwipe. Fourth is a wet downwipe - I start at the very top of my crack to make sure to get any poosmear left by the previous upwipes and don't stop until I reach the nacha (notcha ass, notcha balls). I am anal when it comes to my anus. I am a total neat-freak when it comes to cornhole cleanliness. A combo of both combined with wet/dry alternations makes even stepford wives smile at a shiny starfish. After that I flush the 3 yards of TP I have laid down on the seat with the rest of my pissy poop/TP gumbo. Sometimes I throw in a dry afterwipe just for good measure as it's all flushing down the hole. It's sorta like the exclamation point on the whole ordeal. If I had to choose just one direction...upwipe all the way. TP from top over also, the other way is backwards.

BTW, I just re-read some comments...

poopy - I am 25 and "I'm still standin!" (remember that song?). I actually look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame with my ass jacked up in the air when wiping. I must look really funny...but it's my preference.

Hey, Rogue, that's a pretty spiffy piece of writing there, my good bathroom buddy. Liked especially the definition of the 'nacha.' Classic!

Yeah, that 'pants around the ankles' waddle is something we've all done at one time or another. I am thinking it needs to become an Olympic event, complete with starting gun and all. (In fact, I may post something along those lines on the forums this weekend!)

Also, your 'Stepford Wives' reference is just too good to pass up. "...makes even stepford wives smile at a shiny starfish..."' There's this scene in that movie where the Katharine Ross and Paula Prentiss characters are trying to recruit some of the already-done-for women into their social consciousness club, and the automatron wife in question, turns to them and says, licking her lips: "I know I shouldn't say this, but I just love my brownies!"

From a PR point of view, that line is just begging for attention!

According to Haleys Cleaning Hints you should wet the tissue with vinegar. Then go 'round the brown.

In my discusions regarding blind people wiping, I have come up with three theories. First is overkill, they just keep wiping until there is no chance there's anything left. Second, the smell test. I can't think this would work because anything you rub over your asscrack is going to stink regardless of how well you wipe. Third, and my favorite, is the friction test. Next time your wiping notice that the cleaner you get, the more friction there is. Does anyone know a blind person they could ask?

Hey Rogue, Dave J, Poopers, gutbuster, Big Dumper, Matthew, Mad Shittah and others who participated in this fine thread: I was as good as my word and put up a Poop-A-Lympics post over on the forums. Check it out and see how creative you can be coming up with some events.

A comment on the girls-going-through-TP-faster-than boys discussion: though I can't make any sort of generalized claim, of course, I've found that my own experience seems to speak otherwise. I have noticed that I am generally pretty frugal with the TP. When I lived by myself I think it took me nigh on a year to go through a 12-pak. My partner, on the other hand, is not frugal at all. In fact, he's an ass-wastrel. We've been living together for a little more than a year, and I don't know if it's that there's two asses to wipe instead of one, or if he has softer shits than me, or shits more frequently, or what--but I swear we go through in a MONTH what I went through in a year when living alone.

The Beatnik/Buddhist poet Allan Ginsberg actually published a collection entitled Clean Asshole Poems. I havent read them but the title is unforgettable. He's dead now, so there's no way any of us can ask him how he wiped.

I was an only kid and my parents had a thing about privacy in the john, so I never knew how men did it. I remember being on a bike ride with a guy in our club. Harry and I both had to pee in the bushes. I always carry Kleenex on bike rides for just these situations. Without thinking, I offered Harry some Kleenex before we headed for different sections of shrubbery.

'I dont need it' he said, with a rather amused smile. Then it hit me: guys dont need TP after they take a leak; all they need to do is pee, pinch and shake. But if you're a girl...you are gonna need TP for both #1 and #2.

Am amazed that Poopshipdestroyer's roomie used more TP than she does. Maybe his parents traumatized him during potty training.

As for squatting over toilets--women can do it, but we cant achieve that satisfying precise trajectory that our brothers can. I think that's why there's so much pee on the seats in women's bathrooms: we run out of toilet seat covers, we are terrified of sitting on the seat and try to squat over it when peeing and just spray everywhere. Ugh!

I actually like to see my own poop before I flush. Ive figured out a way to discard the TP so that it lands to the side of the bowl and doesnt shroud the log.

And, by God, I think it is satisfying and IMPORTANT to take a look at our poop--tells us something about the state of our body politic. I wonder how many times doctors fail to get important information because people cant tell the doc what their turds typically look like. If you dont know what your normal poo looks like, how are you going to know when something is off kilter?

To reach your full potential as a human being you must know yourself and that includes knowing your body's normal patterns of behavior--including breast self exams (women--actually guys should do that too--there is such a thing as male breast cancer which is rare but quite deadly), testicular self exams for guys, and yes, knowing what your poop looks like.

True story of what happens when you dont know shit about your own body:

In the book Tuva or Bust! there was a story about Richard Feynemann, a Nobel Prize winning physicist and a celebrated member of the faculty at Caltech. Brilliant, charismatic guy. Formula One IQ.

Feynmann fell victim to some form of abdominal cancer--I forget what kind. He went to the doctor feeling not quite right and his condition required exploratory surgery. Here's the shocker: the surgeons removed a 15 POUND tumor from Professor Feynmann's gut. The guy lived a few more years thanks to aggressive medical treatment and repeated surgeries, but it was an ordeal.

Now, think about it, brother and sister Poopreporters: 15 pounds equals 3 bags of flour. Imagine carrying that inside your belly. Wouldnt your pants get tight? Wouldnt you notice your poop changing? Wouldnt you notice yourself looking differnt in the mirror?

My take is that this brilliant guy was living so much in his head that he failed to notice how his body and possibly poop patterns were changing.

Its fine to explore the mysteries of the universe, but its just as important to study what's in your toilet each morning, too.

This is an interesting discussion. It makes me think of this guy I work with. Every morning he goes into the bathroom and takes a pretty loose and gassy dump. I am often one stall away. He never, ever wipes more than once. He takes a huge wad of paper in his right hand, leans forward and wipes once. I am sure that his hole must be quite filthy. He is very well groomed, dresses nicely and neatly, never smells. One other thing, if there isn't anyone outside the stall when he leaves, he won't wash his hands. This, of course, is not that unusual. I am fascinated by his idea of wiping and wonder if anyone else wipes just once. I can't imagine what his underwear must look like. As for me, I wipe behind and after a couple of initial passes, I like to insert my index finger covered with paper up about 1/4" to clean inside. I will use wetwipes if at home.

Matthew: your co-worker may be well-groomed, well-dressed and may smell nice with his outer clothes on, but you are probably right about his underwear. I wouldn't want to have to rub the Shout or other stain-remover on his skidmarks. The only time I have ever been able to get away with one wipe is when I've done one of those classic, firm, well-formed, solid, one-piece turds that slides right on out and makes that perfect plop in the porcelain ocean. It's hard not to feel that things are going your way when you do one of those. But your co-worker appears to be not really wiping as much as he is 'calling it quits with his shits.' Rather arbitrarily, I must say.

Rarely do I get one of those 'teflon coated' moments where I can stand up to wipe. Usually requirements are wiping sitting down or get poo smeared in the inner ass crack area

An interesting topic I must say. One point I would certainly like to re-emphasize is that the female and male anatomy does force men and women to wipe differently. It really is important for a female to wipe from FRONT TO BACK. Thus, she avoids wiping feces toward her vagina. A major reason why females are afflicted with urinary tract infections in much greater numbers then men is that women have a short urethra, and it opens in close proximity to the anus. Men have a longer urethra that is safely housed within the penis. So women, remember to wipe from front to back, and also drink cranberry juice if you can tolerate the flavor. Cranberry juice seems to prevent bacteria from adhering to the lining of the urinary bladder.

One last point I would like to make is that I recall reading an article several years ago where male and female public restrooms were analyzed for cleanliness. Several microbiologists performed swab cultures in various areas of each bathroom (toilet paper dispenser, toilet seat, sink, paper towel dispenser, hot air blower, doorknobs, garbage cans, etc...) What the scientists found to their suprise was that the amounts of bacteria in the female bathrooms far exceeded the amounts in mens bathrooms. Especially around the toilet seat and toilet paper dispensers, female bathrooms were just teeming with bacteria and harmful organisms in much greater amounts then in the male public bathrooms. The article did not offer any definitive answer as to why this was, and I still am confused as to why this was myself.

hope everyone is well......

-Dr. Adams

When shit goes terribly wrong: I too was of the standing to wipe persuation but one cold snowy night I had to take a shit in the dark due to power failure. I'll spare the details but I went for the overkill and ended up in tears. I figured I was a smart person and there must be a better way. I pondered the best and most efficent way to wipe and I came up with this: First, I shouldn't have to wipe my asscheeks. after watching my cat take a shit and not having to wipe afterwards I decided that giving the asshole a clear path to the water down below was essential. So I gently spread my cheeks apart every time I take a shit. Second, after taking a shit there is no need to move any part of your body other than your arms and hands.. so the most effective way to gain access to my rectum was by way of the small but negotiable hole in front between my legs and other unmentionables and by that I mean my penis and nut sack. There is no easier way to reach anus. Third, I use to be a careless shitter. I would grab toilet paper from the roll without thinking and stuck the wad in to my ass crack and hoped for the best. There must be a better way I thought and I came up with this... It only took a little common sense and practice to figure this one out. I figured that those little tiny toilet paper squares were there for a reason so I took 1 piece and said nope that's not gonna do it, two was better but not enough until I was confortable at 3. I pull on the roll till I get 3 pieces fold them so I get one square 3 squares thick and wipe. I repeate 3 more times and I'm clean. No odor or hygeine problems. I was on my way to a happy shit life. Now I actually enjoy shitting and I take less time on the toilet. Review: close the door behind you, drop trou, spread cheecks, shit, 3pieces of paper, 3 wipes per shit, flush, stand, up trou, wash hands, open door and you're out!!!!!!!

plus I forgot to mention that by using the method I describe about there is little or no actual "wiping involved". Since the shit made it's journey to the bottom of the bowl without obsticles the only evidence it left behind can be found no more than a few centemeters at best around my pink donut. So I place the toilet paper over the hole and without any wiping motions just pat and grab -just like picking up a dead spider from the floor- never holding it in your hands for more than a second or smearing it all over clean areas thus keeping hand soiling to a minimum. The next wipe is basically a mop-up operation but necessary. The third one is just for good measure. a fourth one is reserved for very messy jobs like when you have the runs or a really big shit. This way I've been free from skid marks or lenghty time consuming bathroom visits.

I'm a born again shitter!

practice makes perfect

Nimos you're a genious!!!

Standing up looks a little funny to me. I sit down and lean to wipe.

I GET NAKED STAND UP AND SQUAT SO I CAN REALLY GET IN MY ASS

For a girl, ass approach is a two-step process. Wipe the pee hole from back to front so your pussy doesn't smell like piss. Wipe the poo hole from the front to the back so your pussy doesn't smell like shit. And guys, wipe from front to back so I don't have to see (or smell) your shitty nut sack!

I must say I never even thought of sitting untill it came up in conversation and others said they sat I was like WTF I have always and will always be a stander. My question is how does the co worker know how the guy in the stall next to him is shitting you got a spy cam on him or something.

Good point master shitter. I too stand and can only wonder how other people can sit and be ensured that their ass is clean. My wife rags me out on that point all the time and she told my little brother and now when he comes over they have a rag fest on my behalf and how i wipe my ass. It is really sickening.

Just joined the ranks of the sitting wipers (for now). I injured my back while hunting hurricanes this summer and since it has been difficult to wipe while I'm standing. I sort of do a combination thing right now between sitting and standing to support my fucking sore back.

I'm having a hard time picturing how you people can wipe standing up. My husband and I both wipe sitting down.
As far as direction, I guess it doesn't really matter if you're a guy, so long as you make sure your genitals are clean too. Women, please, to avoid infection, wipe from front to back. Better yet, everyone, get a bidet.

P.S. I realize that I tell everyone to get a bidet when I don't have one. I have used them, they're great, and I should get one too.

i'm with you, fart poopie. the first time i was even made aware that some people wipe while standing, is when Nicole Kidman does it in Eyes Wide Shut. even then, i thought maybe she only did it cuz she was wearing a dress, or maybe it's an Austraillian thing.

but then i came to PoopReport, and discovered that a lot of people stand to wipe. i don't really understand why. first of all, i don't see how it works any better than sitting (it may be explained somewhere in these comments, but i'm afraid i don't have enough time to read all of them right now, so if anyone wants to explain, go for it!). second of all, i'd be worried that i'd dribble pee or, worse, drop some poo chunks on the floor or my pance/underpance if stood up without wiping first.

i just don't get it!

Here's my two turds worth.

How people can accurately and sanitarily wipe while sitting down is beyond me.

First, I stand for that wonderful, relieving stretch, turn around, and do a quick, healthy checkup. Our health is the most important thing we have, why risk it?

Second, standing is so much more fun.

I tried to wipe while sitting a few times and just couldn't get over the fact that it's truly disgusting to put one's hand down that close to the bowl.

No way, I stand proudly and always will. There's nothing like looking out the window into your neighbor's back yard or rush-hour traffic and whistling with the birds while you cleanse your pooter.

I wipe till there's nothing left but clean, spotless paper gliding off my hiney, and then I'm done!

Now, here's a question...

Why do those of us in first-world countries, favor such high toilets? We actually joke and call them "thrones". In the most extreme cases, I actually find that I can nearly swing my feet out as I go number 2. Admittedly, this IS fun, but squatting is, by far, a more natural potty posture. Try it! Your cheeks spread naturally and the whole underworld smiles as you make a clean, efficient deposit. You can even feel your abdominal muscles contributing to the good cause. When you're done, you can stand, smile, do a little front-to-back action, and be on your merry way.

Happy pooping!

I stand to poop and no one knows- not even my wife. An unspeakable thing happened on our honeymoon.

I absolutely have to be securely alone when I poop- I do not want to be discovered standing while I wipe.

In our hotel room I went into the bathroom to poop and then shower. I did my poop and then stood and wiped my crapper clean. I then got into the shower. Once in the shower I peeked out to see that the toilet hadn't clogged over . I noticed that I had left a large clot of poop on the toilet seat that fell out when I stood to wipe.
I decided that it would be faster, and less messy to finish up in the shower then get out and clean up the poop. As I rinsed my hair, my wife came in and SAT DOWN ON THE TOILET.
I couldn't look or speak to her. How could I explain it? When she left the bathroom I peaked out to see if she had cleaned the clod before she sat down, or if she had sat right in it. The answer? Neither! I found that the poop was still there and a piece of toilet paper had been laid across it like a funeral flag. Neither of us have ever discussed it.

I was at work one day and my colleagues and I were debating on the correct way to wipe. Is it back to front from between your legs, or reach around and go front to back?

I dont understand how in the heck some of these women wipe like they do. What is with the sticking your whole arm through your legs??? If i simply pee pee i just wad up a little ball of tp, stand up and blot. If i do number 2 and also pee i first get my toilet paper like i want it and reach around my back to my backside with my right hand and wipe and repeat this with as many wads of paper as i have to until my backside is clean then i get another wad and stand up and blot my female parts. I just cant for the life of me understand why some women think they have to scrub themselves raw if all they do is pee. They reach all between their legs while sitting on the toilet....UGH that is so gross and whats worse some of them wipe their butt by reaching through their legs!!! EWWWWWWW!!! Talk about infection risk.

I like to be nude outdoors when possible, and in my yard it's always possible! There are dense woods behind my house that we go walking through. When the need to poop hits, I just find a spot and go - standing up. Yep, if you've never tried it, don't knock it. Ok, let's hear from someone!

loook, i have been looking over this site and it seems that someone can be serious, I HOPE. I have had two surgical procedure's to fx my disc in my back but now I am due now to have another. What my problem is; I can't pee when i need to and i can't easily wipe my own backsie any more. I have not had to ask my wife yet but i fear it is not far off. What do you think might be the cause of this problem, other than my ruptured disc's again? Thanks JR

I'm glad I'm not the only one who stands and wipes, And I'm also glad that there's a site on the web that share this info. thanks poopreport

_I really don't know or pay attention to that but I might try to wipe standing up on pooping for peace day while my pants and underwear is down to my ankles either at home but really want to try that at a public bathroom stall or a public bathroom and if I like wipeing standing up, I might do it for now on.______
-Sam aka bknightshadow

damn,just an observation:why are most of these comments posted by males?--where are all the females at??