Kind of reminds me of a Steinfeld episode where George has to take care of Business, he comes out the bathroom a short time later sans shirt... He looks around and says "what??? I like to be free and unincumbered".

Maybe the young'un saw the episode.

Good luck of correcting the behavior, if explained properly to him, you might be lucky and stop it.

Stripping naked in a public bathroom is not normal IMO. Im sure it might cause problems if hes gonna be doing that in middle and high school, rumors will be flying. If it was my son, I would be telling him that its ok to do it at home but not in a public bathroom, it is not apropriate. Obviously other students are noticing and/or complaining and causing a disturbance if the school is contacting you about it. Dont be suprised if the school counsler starts setting up regular appointments.

I wanna say that I very vaguely remember a kid when I was growing up that I would see from the bottom of the stall was taking his clothes off to poop, but never really took that great notice of it, nor did anyone else. But I do remember that my little brother would take his pants all the way off when he was pooping on his own because that's the way he was potty trained. But eventually, he grew out of it. He's nine now and to the best of my knowledge, he keeps all his clothes on. But your son is six, and at the age, I wouldn't say it's as much a matter of quirks as trying to figure out his bounderies. At six he's either in kindergarden or early first grade and reallu becoming socialized so it'll take a while for him to understand the idea of a public restroom. When I was 4 or 5 in preschool,I used to holler for the teacher to come wipe my butt. That was corrected real fast, and yet when I was in second grade, I still saw kids who would drop their pants to the floor to pee in a urinal. Now that I'm grown and see more grown people, I see that some have grown out of it while others haven't. He just needs time.

threeboyzmom.....I agree with fatmanxxl. Your child should be told that stripping completely for a poop at school is not normal and will, I am sure, eventually make him the butt of many jokes. I am a pantless pooper at home but merely drop my trousers when using a public facility. Perhaps you could start by having him just remove his trousers and shorts at home and try pooping that way. I feel sure that he could eventually adjust to doing the same thing at school. Eventually he should be able to perform after merely dropping trou..
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Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

One thing I'm interested in as well is how you know your father is a naked pooper? Is that something you just discuss or how'd that come to be known?

Considering that school toilets are used by little boys who will end up pissing all over the floor (and a lot will use the stalls for a slash if the urinals are fully occupied), he must come home smelling like a dirty old hobo after putting his clothes on the floor.

Agreed. Now is the time your son needs to start learning what social boundaries are and how to respect them. His "quirky habit" will be much easier to break now than when he is older and being made fun of for it. It's not "micromanaging", it's teaching him how to be normal and socially acceptable. It doesn't need to turn into a nagging, fighting issue.

That said, I do hope the teachers are not overreacting when it happens as school. You should work on it at home and make sure that he is getting politely corrected at school: "Jeremy, when we're in a public bathroom, we leave our clothes on".

My son used to pull his pants and boxers all the way down at the urinal to pee at school. I had a few talks with him about it and the fact that it may cause people to tease him among other things. He now, as far as I know, only does this at home or in a locked stall at school.
I don't see anything wrong with just having a heart to heart with your kid and explaining to him in a calm tone why this may not be the best idea. I also agree that you should check to make sure they aren't making a big deal out of this at school. The important thing is you don't want him to feel ashamed of it and eventually become a Shameful Shitter. I'm sure with some practice at home and reassurance from you he will stop doing it eventually.
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As the parent of a child with a profound case of Autism, I have had a lot of time and opportunity to learn about behvaior modification programs. The program that seems to work best is called Applied Behavioral Analysis. If you've ever watched Victoria Stilwell on "It's Me or the Dog", you've seen these techniques applied.

I am assuming that, at this point, you have already talked to him about this behavior and why it's inappropriate and what constitutes appropriate behavior and he's still engaging in this behavior.

The next step is to go to behavior modification. The key here is not to extinguish the inappropriate behavior but to encourage appropriate behavior. As such, the inappropriate behavior should be ignored and no fuss made about it unless there is an immediate safety issue. The term our county school system uses is Positive Behavior Support. The keys to the process are as simple as ABC: Antecedent-Behavior-Consquent.

First, a word of warning. Get away from the idea of extinguishing the current behavior or punishing him for it. These ideas are best for extreme behaviors and should be avoided if possible. Why? Because negative reinforcement -- punishment -- makes a stronger impression than positive reinforcement. That is, a hurtful word is more easily remembered than a kind word. Or, in the physical realm, a smack on the bottom is more easily remembered than a hug. It takes a lot of hugs and kind words to undo the damage done by a criticism or an act of corporal punishment.

Okay. With that said, we already know the behavior that we're looking for. That's to keep the clothes on while pooping or, at least, to remain appropriately dressed while dropping the kids off at the pool. You might want to come up with some clear guidelines, though, on what that expected behavior is, so that both you and your sone understand your expectations. So, next, we need to tackle the antecedent and consequent parts of our behavior modification program. Let's look at reinforcers next.

The key thing to keep in mind is that this behavior is somehow rewarding for your child. Half the battle is figuring out how this current behavior is being constantly reinforced and then either remove the reinforcement or find an even better reinforcer to tie to the new behavior.

Since your child is self-actualizing, I suggest that you approach the child about his thoughts on the situation. Find out what his concerns are and what his reasons are for continuing this behavior. Try to find out what he's getting out of this behavior. That's going to let you know what your up against in the consequent/reinforcer department. If your child is doing this because he just likes the feel of being naked while taking a dump, well, you're just going to have to find some reinforcer that feels better than being naked while taking a dump. Hopefully, your child isn't doing this because he enjoys the negative attention that seems to be coming his way. And, if he's that starved for positive attention, well, a little positive attention tied to the correct behavior should go along way.

Don't be surprised if he says I don't know or it's just habit. At the end of the process, the consequent will be faded so that behavior itself becomes self-reinforcing. That is, the behavior becomes habit. If that's the case, then just about any old reinforcement will do. BTW, at this age, the basic reinforcers should be sufficient. Things like verbal praise, star charts on the refrigerator (or in the bathroom, especially if the child gets to put the star on the chart), privileges like extra computer/tv time, even food stuffs, like favorite cookies, candies or meals.

Next, you need an Antecedent. Ask him what you can do for him to help him with this transition. If he says post reminders, then post reminders or sew some labels into the bottom of his pants. If he says that he needs suspenders, then get him suspenders.

Once you've talked this over with your child and agreed to all three components, you need to get the school on board with this. Your child's teacher may be reluctant but, if there's to be a quick and easy solution to this issue, all supervising adults in his life must be using a similar, if not the same, program. And, you need communication about your "trials" in both directions. You have to keep his teachers apprised of things on the home front and vice versa. I recommend having a face-to-face meeting at the school to be followed up with daily or bi-daily emails about your child's progress. And to demonstrate your commitment to this program, I would suggest that you send your teacher the URL to this webpage.

I would posit that your BM program (that's Behavior Modification, not Bowel Movement) will probably be something like this. Your child will have to ask permission before going to the bathroom. Once he seeks permission, he'll be reminded that he needs to keep his clothes on and reminded that what his reinforcement will be should he successfully complete the task. He then goes to the bathroom. If he's successful, he gets the agreed upon reinforcer. If not, he gets reminded of the desired behavior and hope for success at the next trial. And, if he's partially successful, like he keeps his socks on instead of getting completely naked, make a big deal about the socks victory, maybe giving out either a partial reinforcement or a less preferred reinforcement. Remember, nothing breeds success like success and, especially, recognized and acknowledged success.

If there's not much progress, the antecedent may need to be strengthened, like following the child into the bathroom and reminding him of the expected behavior as he's undressing. If that doesn't work, then you may actually have to provide instructions or assistance during the disrobing process.

You might also try upping the ante in the reinforcement department. Try reinforcing the behavior as closely as possible to the event of the behavior. If the kid doesn't undress, make a big deal out of it right after the success. Don't wait for several hours after the behavior. The closer the behavior and the reinforcer are in time, the more likely that the child will link the two events together and he will see that you are serious about this program.

If you're still not getting results, you might try changing the Antecedent, as described earlier, or changing the reinforcer. You might also check that this program is being consistently applied in all of the relevant environments, which would be home and school. Consistency is key to a successful program. And if he starts back-sliding, you might try changing up your reinforcers as well.

So, what happens once you start getting the desired results. Well, you want the behavior to remain but without requiring the Antecedents or the Reinforcers. I would suggest start by fading the Antecedents. Instead of giving firm instructions before the behavior, you could try asking about the child to tell you what the expected behavior is. And once you get that consistently, you might try then asking "Do you know what to do" and accepting a "Yep" for an answer. At some point, this pre-behavior process will become so trivial that it will disappear on its own.

The same applies to the reinforcer. Take the star chart, for example. The 100th star is not nearly as gratifying as the first ten stars. So it will naturally fade. If your reinforcing with Oreos, move to smaller quantities. You might also switch the reinforcing schedule to a new reinforcer, although I would suggest that you discuss this with your child before you make the change.

So, this is a significant part of the program for my child at school. It works for them and, if done properly, it should work for you as well. Good luck.
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My special need's student crapped in your honor roll student's backpack.

And, no, I'm not an insane maniac, although I play one on Poop Report.
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My special need's student crapped in your honor roll student's backpack.

Let's see... I sleep naked, I poop first cracker out of the box, so that first, (and best) poop of the day is naked. I don't blame anyone for wanting to experience the natural, au-natural.

I'm with Thunderbox. He's dropping his clothes on a public school bathroom floor. Yeah, it's mopped after school, but that's it.
Try telling him that. Tell him how he's dropping his clothes on a floor where other boys miss when they are peeing,and he's getting pee on his clothes.

How do you know he's dropping his clothes on the floor? That was never brought up. Have you never had to change clothes in a public restroom? I've seen some pretty meticulous kids who would hang their clothes on the hook in the stall or drape em over the sides if that were the case. Honestly, as long as the kid is in the stall where no one could see him, I don't see the big deal right now. I work around a bunch of contractors and morons (some people can fit into both categories) and it's amazing some of the shit I see walking into the bathroom. There was a guy who walked from a stall to the sink with his pants around his knees till he washed his hands. And he wasn't young, old, or retarded. He just didn't wanna touch his clothes with nasty hands. It could be a case of this kid is scared that if he poops in his clothes, he may get something on them, and that is completely justified. I've done that both at school and work, and in restraunts. And in that case, I'd much rather be naked for the several minutes it takes to poop than have to walk around/sit in shit soiled clothes until I get home or someone brings me new clothes.

Why are watching kids change clothes in a public restroom? Taking notes?

no one's watching kids change their clothes. He just said that's what some kids may do to prevent their clothes from becoming dirty.
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Wow leandra, are you sticking up for me? And no perv, I have not looked at any like kids in the bathroom. I was just statin what I know from when I was a kid.

Yeah, I guess I am...wow. And that's what asshole would have gotten from your post, had he actually taken the time to read it.
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The Original Grasshopper

Don't pay em any attention. You've been around long enough to know that by now I would imagine. I don't even pay half of the unverified people any attention, or the ACs because half the time they don't make any sense or they're just so full of bullshit there's no point in responding.

That's what I said, when I first came here, but I said it in an asshole type way...
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The Original Grasshopper

I believe that this is part of the No Child Left Behind Act. To pass each grade, it is necessary to pass a social pooping proficiency test. Best to go with pants dropped.

I like pnutty's idea. And if the kid is six year's old, yeah. Chances are the clothes are on the ground.

As to making a big deal out of small accomplishments, I always resented how kids who were disruptive got even more attention for behaving. The rest of the kids are not doing it, but they aren't getting rewarded.

I say if the kid takes off his clothes, he stays inside for recess. Sooner or later, he'll get the hint.

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Once again, Daphne=genius.
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The Original Grasshopper

Thanks daphne. I just don't remember seeing hooks on kid's bathroom doors. And my first thought was those clothes are going straight to the floor.
I manage a resaurant that has Icee machines and I've seen many a parent tell their kids stop wahatever annoying behavior or they won't get an Icee. It works usually. I've also seen one Mom throw her kid's Icee in the trash because he wouldn't stop misbehaving. I had to tell her how I appreciated how she stuck to her guns and gave her money back.
Take something away and most kids get the idea.

When I was four or five, I had a huge aversion to oatmeal and when I told her I wasn't gonna eat it and commenced to play in it, she said if I wanted to play I could play and she dumped it on my head. I loved oatmeal ever since. And when I was a kid I KNOW there were hooks in the bathroom doors because I kid I knew tried to hang himself off of one with his shoe strings. And maybe I was just an odd kid who liked to be neat, I dunno.

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The Original Grasshopper

Yeah, "Deja Poo", that's exactly what this kid needs- a shit-ton of psychobabble that is guaranteed to fuck him up for life. Thanks.

"Be sure to put all your clothes back on when you're done, or hold it until you're home" works much more effectively.

So the kid takes a crap in the buff! So what? Leave the kid alone stop raising our children like veal....you know in a box with very little movement or sunlight because god forbid they break something or get sunburned! Let him enjoy himself.
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AHHHHHEMMMMMMMMMM JUST CLEARING MY THROAT!! ;)

That's what I've been trying to get across this whole thing. I'm glad someone else understands that.

As long as no one sees him, what's the big deal? It's one thing if he strips, then flies, ass-naked, out of the stall, screaming for the whole world to see, but again, if no one sees him, then they have nothing to worry about.
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The Original Grasshopper

I basically have raised my 7-year-old brother because our parents are gone so much with the business they own. He just got the message a couple of months ago about dropping his sweats and underwear all the way to the floor when he craps at school. The stalls are doorless and the older boys would walk by and make some sort of an obscene gesture with both of their hands about what he is showing off.

When I picked him up one afternoon, he was crying and had some mess in his pants due to the taunting. Dropping your clothing all the way to the floor just doesn't work in a large public elementary school so when we stopped for gas, I took him into the bathroom and showed him how he can crap and pee sitting down, with much of his underwear up and him sitting on it on the front of the seat. Little is now being exposed for others to see.

I'm 18 and a senior. When I was about 8 the mom of one of my friends corrected me the same way and I have remainded grateful. Dropping your jeans and underwear all the way to the floor in a school or public toilet is unncessary, and I also believe it is largely unsanitary because more of you is directly touching the toilet seat.

Big Sis seems mature for her age and her brother is fortunate to have a sister who looks out for him like that. I've always felt the guys are more vulnerable to humiliation in public places because so many of their stalls have no doors. I remember a few years ago my younger brother (now 13) telling me that if you crap at school too much, show too much and look scared while you're using the facilities, the bullies can make it tough on you. Like Big Sister, I had to work with my younger brother when he was in first grade because he would drop his shorts and underwear all the way to the floor when using the urinal. Finally, and it wasn't easy, we broke him of that habit.

This is just a phase. As I recall, both my kids used to disrobe completely when they took a shit. Eventually they outgrow it.

Bis sis, I have a feeling that you're going to be a great mom.

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Leandra of course the teachers and students are seeing this kid naked why do you think the school is calling the mama?

...I think you may be assuming that's why they're calling. They could be seeing his clothes on the floor, and calling because they don't think it's normal behavior. I didn't see anywhere in this story where they said he was actually coming out of the stall, still unclothed.
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The Original Grasshopper

Because I'm a little older (27)I'm doing my practicum and required practice teaching together this semester. I'm assigned to a 2nd grade classroom, but during my "supervision" period I have a 15 minute assignment to monitor the bathroom that girls from 5 2nd grade classrooms are assigned to use at 5 minute intervals, some before and some immediately after recess.

The amount of kids who pull their underwear, shorts or jeans all the way to the floor while they are on the toilet is easily a majority. Some of the kids are not aggressive enough when they come into the bathroom to find the open stalls (there are 12 total--6 on each side of the room)and in occasionally peeking in on the users, I've found there are at least 3 who sit over the side of the seat and hang onto the toilet paper holder.

Some don't check for toilet paper on the roll before they select a stall and sit, and of course if I don't divert them elsewhere, they have a "surprise" coming. I try and wipe off spills and accidents on the seats when I see them, because there are those students who would just throw themselves down into such a mess without a second thought.

When I started school in 1988, I remember my mom taking me on the Safe Walk Night and insisting that we go into the bathroom my class was going to be using and that I "practice" in front of her. Today, that needs to be done more, I feel.

My mom still makes me practice in front of her, at age 47...sometimes I get it right, and I get a cookie, or dog biscuit...(depends on if mom has her glasses on when she reaches for a box).
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The proper order is kiss me, then go smell the other dog or cat's butt. I cannot stress this enough.

Just try talking to the kid. I grew up in the woods where if you were outside playing and had to pee, you just went behind a tree. I still remember my grandpa catching me doing the same thing at their house in town, all he did was tell me that I couldn't do that in town and I understood at the age of three.

This thread would be more interesting if rather than discussing a naked pooper's mom we were talking about a pooper's naked mom. That subject would get my full attention.
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Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

Amen to that, Chief.

PD, where art thou so I can have a refund for this boys' middle school education?
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The Original Grasshopper

I'll be doing my student teaching next fall and I've been told by friends who are already in the schools that the problems described by Practicum Teacher are pretty common and, as teachers, we're being asked to do more for the kids. Is it Public Toilet Potty Training I or II? What PT's mom and my mom did before we started school is not being taught so it's another responsibility put onto the teacher. Like telling/showing the 2nd grader how to sit on the front rather than the side of the seat. And I also suppose I will need to stress basics such as checking the seat to see if it's down, checking for toilet paper, wiping and flushing. And I don't want to forget handwashing. If parents were to have shown these kids at age 3 or 4 how to use a public toilet without exposing a lot of themselves, they would be a lot less needy when they reach my classroom. Will I be asked to put on a demonstration for them???

I guess like anything else you want a kid to learn, make a game or a song/rhyme of some kind out of it and they'll remember more easily and develop a healthy coping mechanism towards the chore/routine.
Also it may just be a matter of knowing exactly which article(s) of clothing to remove. Until this weekend I was just takin off my watch and...well anyways thats beside the point; a local city bus driver helped me tweek of my method with a funny little rhyme he called "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU NASTY BASTARD". It didn't actually rhyme and I tear up and flinch uncontrollably every time I poop now but at least I know specifically which clothes have to come off.

I teach first grade and yes, Misty, I have a colleague who does the demonstration for the girls in her class. She does it early in the year and feels it helps the students keep the toilets cleaner, and of course, prevent accidents. Peeking in on a classmate or any harassment results in consequences. I do know that at least one of her girls didn't pay attention. She had a messy crap, there was no toilet paper in her stall, so she waddled out into the crowded bathroom with her jeans down to her feet, tripped and put on a spectacle when she fell in front of a large crowd. Luckily I came in just at the right time to use the facilities on my break and I was able to help her. Her mother, when called, was apparently very oblivious to the humiliation she had encountered and blamed us. What's new!

This little guy just doesn't understand that it's not acceptable to do this in public. Simple as that. My kids pee and poop with the bathroom door open all the time at home, but when they started school I just reminded them every time I took them to preschool that "we close the bathroom door when we're not at home" and they never had any problems with that. Doesn't this mom remind her kid to do other things? Remind him of this too. I am wondering if this kid is missing out on anything at school because of the time it takes to get naked, do his business, and then get dressed again. He may have to miss recess or lunch or some other fun activity, maybe taking away something like this would get him to stop merely for taking too much time-nobody wants to miss out on something fun. Mom needs to explain that some things just have to be done differently when you're not at home and the teacher needs to limit his time in the bathroom and make sure nobody bullies this kid while he is figuring this out, school is tough for little kids, there is so much going on for them to handle.

I agree with Daphne that Big Sister is going to make a good mother in the future. What she did for her brother as a result of the incident should have been done by her parents--and over several months before he ever started school. After nearly three years of taunting and other harassment, the damange can be done.

I, however, disagree with Big Sister's final statement about the sanitation issue. While we wants him to keep his pants up at stool level, I don't want him worried about his butt touching the toilet seat. The last thing we need him to do is try squat-shitting or something equally as dumb. Knowing the mentality of some public school administrators and teachers, they'd probably promote some sort of competition and make a fund-raiser out of it.