When is using the toilet NOT an "act of rejuvenation and invigoration?" I don't think there's anyone who doesn't feel better after taking a huge piss or dump.

But although I disagree with completely separating and hiding the toilet from the master bedroom, I do think it should be somewhat off to the side, space permitting. The shower, bath, and sink are places to get and keep clean. If someone should have a nasty diarrhea or puke session, it should be well outside the blast radius of the more sterile zones. No sense in unnecessarily contaminating people's hygiene articles due to mere proximity.

When is using the toilet NOT an "act of rejuvenation and invigoration?" I don't think there's anyone who doesn't feel better after taking a huge piss or dump.

But although I disagree with completely separating and hiding the toilet from the master bedroom, I do think it should be somewhat off to the side, space permitting. The shower, bath, and sink are places to get and keep clean. If someone should have a nasty diarrhea or puke session, it should be well outside the blast radius of the more sterile zones. No sense in unnecessarily contaminating people's hygiene articles due to mere proximity.

If we think Shamefulness is rampant now, this would make it an epidemic. Removing the toilet from the bathroom would make a hierarchy of bodily needs, implying that anything clean and pure happens in one place and everything awful and dirty happens in another. Right now, the bathroom is where people attend to their body in all aspects. To separate it like this will stigmatize poop even worse.

If we think Shamefulness is rampant now, this would make it an epidemic. Removing the toilet from the bathroom would make a hierarchy of bodily needs, implying that anything clean and pure happens in one place and everything awful and dirty happens in another. Right now, the bathroom is where people attend to their body in all aspects. To separate it like this will stigmatize poop even worse.

yea, i've seen this in a lot of houses on Cribs, lately. i don't mind so much the idea of separating the toilet from the rest of the b-room, but the little rooms they put them in are smaller than most closets. i want my toilet room to be spacious and comfortable. i don't want to hit my elbows on the wall when i go for the TP. i can get enough of that in public stalls, thank you.

yea, i've seen this in a lot of houses on Cribs, lately. i don't mind so much the idea of separating the toilet from the rest of the b-room, but the little rooms they put them in are smaller than most closets. i want my toilet room to be spacious and comfortable. i don't want to hit my elbows on the wall when i go for the TP. i can get enough of that in public stalls, thank you.

Well, yeah, I hate those little toilet rooms in master bedrooms. What's the point of having a luxurious bathroom if you have to shit in a tiny stuffy cubicle? Even public restrooms allow good lighting and free airflow.

I am mostly Shameless, but not perfectly so; but I don't think that my idea of toilet separation has anything to do with that. I do not want toilets exiled from the rest of the bathroom, but just separate for hygiene purposes (whether real or percieved). Just as you wouldn't want a guest taking a dump in a bag in the kitchen while you're cooking; your food probably wouldn't get contaminated, but the idea is just disgusting.

Well, yeah, I hate those little toilet rooms in master bedrooms. What's the point of having a luxurious bathroom if you have to shit in a tiny stuffy cubicle? Even public restrooms allow good lighting and free airflow.

I am mostly Shameless, but not perfectly so; but I don't think that my idea of toilet separation has anything to do with that. I do not want toilets exiled from the rest of the bathroom, but just separate for hygiene purposes (whether real or percieved). Just as you wouldn't want a guest taking a dump in a bag in the kitchen while you're cooking; your food probably wouldn't get contaminated, but the idea is just disgusting.

In Europe, particularly France, it is common practice to have two seperate rooms for the toilet and the sink/bathtub. If you say bathroom in France they think "salle de bain" or room where you bath. Les toilets or W.C. is the toilet and it is a totally seperate little room. The toilet is not even a seperate room with in the bathroom.

In Europe, particularly France, it is common practice to have two seperate rooms for the toilet and the sink/bathtub. If you say bathroom in France they think "salle de bain" or room where you bath. Les toilets or W.C. is the toilet and it is a totally seperate little room. The toilet is not even a seperate room with in the bathroom.

Well, duh. If your master suite has one of those separate little stalls for the toilet, and you're Shameless, then just LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN! You can see and converse freely. But if you're Shameful, then you can close the door. It's really a solution for everyone!

Where I grew up, half the people never bathed, so the appliances and fixtures associated with "acts of rejuvenation and invigoration" weren't necessary. But that was okay, they also utilized outhouses, which by my calculation were a hell of a lot less inviting than an "inhouse". To those of you unacquainted with the fine old tradition of an outhouse let me describe it for you. In winter the seats were air temperature. That is a bad thing when its -12 outside. You'd swear the shit froze halfway out. A Monkey Ward catalog that's below freezing ain't nowhere near the degree of comfort available from 68 degree two-ply Charmin. But as bad as winter was, summer was worse. You entered an environment where every bowel movement since Abe was in the White House was still making its presence known to the noses of anyone with a pulse. Remember, the whole family shat out there. For generations. Everything from Gramp's leviathan logs to Aunt Hattie's chronic drizzlin' shits. On a 100 degree day with 85% humidity the smell would blister paint off the side of a freakin' battleship. Also you had to be somewhat shameless, as you were sharing the surroundings with bees, spiders, snakes, bats, mice, rats, and other assorted vermin. When it was that hot, you'd be tempted to leave the door open a bit so the Ghosts of shits past wouldn't suffocate you.
Even if they separate the showers from the shitters its still lightyears beyond outhouses, and that's just dandy with me.

Why all the AC multiple posts, above?

GGG has the most level-headed solution to the whole thing. I agree with The Jam, that poop is being unjustly sidlined, but leaving the door open and shouting down the hall is the more manly solution. And it also lends itself to a more complete feeling of community and acceptence.