I didn't know that it was a $2,500.00 fine to have a "high flow" toilet. I guess the government has nothing better to do that feed us shit, and now tell us how much water to use to dispose of our shit.

I shall be purged I guess, I had a circa 1947 Eljer and circa 1958 Kholer for 14 years after the energy bill was mandated. Both toilets used 5, not 3.5, but 5 gallons of water per flush. Worst still, my basement toilet was a circa 1924 American Standard. That sucker used 7 gallons per flush!

Wouldn't it have been smarter to let the toilet companise develop the technology to make more efficient toilets first? I guess the turd chopper makers were thirsty for business. Better still, the public should have known about the change as well.

I have just this year (2006) gone over to water saver toilets. The new toilets are light years from the 90's water savers. As a matter of fact, my new toilets flush faster and quieter than the old 5 gallon versions.

I am a well known toilet clogger here on PR. I have not once needed my turd chopper with my new toilets.

The best advice is, you get what you pay for. All of my toilets use a high velocity flush. My master bath toilet cost $270.00, on sale. What I am trying to say is: if you go out and buy a $40.00 special, you just may be singing the turd chopper blues.
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They make a type of low-volume toilet (don't remember the brand, but you can find it at Home Depot) that has a pressure tank that looks like a little beer keg. It sits inside the tank where you'd normally expect the water to be. When you push the button to flush it, it shoots so hard that there are few turds that can stand up against the turbo-like flow in the bowl. You can actually feel a breeze if you put your face close enough to the toilet...but if the turd is obstinate you might feel more than just a breeze. It's a really entertaining toilet, and I think it creates enough of a downdraft that it actually sucks quite a bit of the shit mist with it, reducing fan time. I would caution against courtesy flushes while sitting on the toilet with this thing. Don't know if it might do something violent to the hanging bits....
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Now now, they looked into the toilet suction myth on Mythbusters. Entertaining, yes, can it happen, no.

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I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on my previous post. The Mythbusters piece was about whether an airline toilet could suck hard enough to stick a person to the seat. The toilet tank pressure device I referred to actually stores 1.6 gallons of water under pressure and discharges it into the bowl, similar to a conventional toilet but with much greater velocity. I meant to suggest that the sudden flow of water into the drain might - I emphasize might - create a downdraft. I probably should have been more explicit about that. The part about the hanging bits was meant to imply that with the rapid entry of water into the bowl, the turbulence might create problems with things like nads and wienies. I don't think there's any possibility that a home toilet would create substantial suction, but having used one of those keg toilet things for a while I can attest to the fact that there is indeed an intake of air in the bowl as the water is rapidly displaced. Sorry for any ambiguity there. I do, however, believe that if you stretched saran wrap across an airline toilet bowl it would deflect downward when the thing is flushed. I don't really know that the mythbuster folks recreated the cabin pressure in a plane when they tested the myth. The interesting thing is that there are, in fact, a number of patents that have been issued for toilets with exhaust fans that vent bowl air out of the bathroom, in some cases into the waste pipe. You might want to take a look at LOOFLOO.com if you'd like to see one that is commercially available. I don't know if it would be expensive to purchase and maintain some of the toilet exhaust systems, though. Myself, I keep a box of matches in there for guests.
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BCB, I think you are talking about the American Satndard Champion.

They are a great toilet, but too noisy. The down side of the pressure flush is: there is no way to abort the flush, in the event of a clog. Trust me, I've overflowed a pressure flush toilet, with disasterous results.

Kholer makes a toilet about as powerful as the Champion, and litrerally dead silent. You cannot hear the Kholer flush. The Eljer Titan is also a powerfull toilet. The Eljer takes about two seconds to flush, and is fairly quiet as well.

My favorite is the high velocity flush. The flange in the tank is cut extra large (3 inches in some models), allowing water to exit the tank much faster. Some HVF toilets have multiple jets, while others have an extra large jet that send a violent stream of water directly into the drain, causing the siphoning action to occur much faster.

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Dave Barry's da MAN!
Even though its said by way of humor, I bet Dave's got it right: you will be more vigorously prosecuted for installing a 3.5 gallon tank than selling crack.

This is an interesting discussion here on the low-flows in the commentary section. I am looking for two replacement toilets for my new house. (The old ones are wearing out.) Since I am in the middle of the desert and dependent on a well, one of those pressure toilets might be a good idea. Saves a hell of a lot more water than a standard low-flow. (I think I mentioned this in another thread.)

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Have any of you seen the King of the Hill Episode that involved low flow toilets? It was just on the other day. Let's assume that it takes one flush witha 2.5gal tank. If it takes 2 or more flushes on a 1.6 then it wastes water.

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TSV, both the pressure toilets, and the high velocity toilets handle stubborn mega turds very well.

If your bathroom is adjacent to any of the bedrooms, the noise could be disruptive. The noise could disturb the baby (congratulations by the way) or anyone else trying to sleep.

(At least here in NE), an American Standard Champion costs about $400.00.

I replaced two of my worn out toilets with high velocity flush models. My turd chopper has since gone on a permanent vacation.

An Eljer Titan costs about $275.00
A Kholer Cimaron has a similar price tag ($275.00) and both are great toilets.

The pressure flush system uses 1.0 gallons of water. The high velocity systems use 1.1 to the traditional 1.6 gallons, depending on model.

The Eljer Titan seems to have a variable flush. If I press the lever and release, it will only use like a half gallon of water. I can hold the lever down if I feel that I need more water, and release when I think I have used enough.

So, TSV, there are many toilets on the market. Do your homework, and you'll find the right one. Prices range from $38.00 to $600.00+, two rules apply though: you get what you pay for, and bigger isn't always better.
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Bowl Clogger Blogger (71) -- 10.29.2006
Dear bowl Clogger, good to see someone in the world is looking to improve their lot in life and present the opportunity for the improvement of the Sensory Deprivation of your guests, OK you use a match but a LooFloo is much better, particularly if you dont want your house blown up or burnt down. LooFloo's are a unique product in the world and subject to location cost about $110 plus postage and they run forever, the fan has a 100,000 hour expected life and as they are intermittent in their operation (switch off/on) we would expect the user to become fertiliser before the unit gives in.
Regards Rex at LooFloo