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European, but only when Euro-sitting?

Posted 10.05.2006 by daphne
Back in 2004, I read about the WC Ghost, a box that would alert those lifting the toilet seat that they were doing something not allowed in that particular household. I thought it was a bit weird. This device, empowered with impersonations of such political figures as Gerhard Schroder, Helmut Kohl, Tony Blair, and even the Queen (depending on whether you bought the German or the English-speaking version), caused a bit of resentment among stehpinkelnen, or, "dudes who have the audacity to stand and pee." (Those who sit and pee in Germany are called sitzpinkleren, which also translates to "wimp.")

By the time the German device made public news, more than 1.8 million frauen peeved over their herren's seat-tinkling had purchased one. I do not know how many have been sold by now. What I do know is that a school in Norway has gone one step further: by attempting to make standing to pee an outright violation. The Dvergsnes School in Kristiansand, has adopted a "no standing" policy in their restrooms -- to be obeyed by all students, male and female.

And it's pissing off Vidar Kleppe.

Kleppe, a God-fearing politician who is so right-winged that the right-wing party threw him out, is on a personal rampage to overturn the standing-pee ban put into place by the school's principal, Anne Lise Gjul. According to Kleppe, "When boys are not allowed to pee in the natural way, the way boys have done for generations, it is meddling with God's work."

Um, OK.

I don't know if it's meddling with His righteous plan to ask a little boy to pee sitting down, but that's one way of looking at it there, Vidar. Here, let me help you with that anti-depressant... no, I am not going to cut off your wee-wee. I promise.

Seriously, though: Ms. Gjul's reasoning for the ban is hygienic, not political or sex-oriented. Emasculating the male children in the school never crossed her mind, as the new rule stemmed from her concerns that the girls and boys in the school deserved to have a "pleasant toilet." The little Norwegian wood over there seems to be whittled a bit crooked, as the male students have trouble with aiming and thus mess up the toilet for those who prefer to sit.

Kleppe has called for the local council to intervene and vote on the matter. Principal Gjul has declined to comment on the political aspects of the subject. She is only concerned with the bathroom being clean for both sexes.

Frankly, I don't know how they will enforce this ban, should it stand up to a council vote. One would think attempting to monitor such activity would cross all sorts of privacy lines. If the little guys can't seem to hit the mark, should the school adopt this new law? Or should they offer some type of antibacterial wipe in the stall for little Lars to use, should he spray a bit? Is the ability to pee standing a right? Or is it a privilege to be earned? Tell us what you think.

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GottaGoGirl (2616) -- 10.05.2006

Seriously. If you make a rule that boys must sit to pee, how will anyone know if they do or not? Is someone going to MONITOR the pissoir?

THAT'S more of a violation than asking boys to sit down.

I think the only thing they can do is post one of those signs that say "Please Sit." They can hope boys will start to get the message, but how can they MAKE the kids sit?

I noticed, while travelling in Germany on the Autobahn, that the rest-stop bathrooms said, "Please Approach". Meaning DON'T sit down! They wanted women to shuffle forward, lean their hands on the wall, and pee standing up. There were even hand-placement stickers on the wall above the toilet.

My point is that the boys at the school NOW may not switch to sitting, but as the new kids come in, they may be able to be indoctrinated, if the instructions and expectations are in place.

Fart Poopie (1257) -- 10.05.2006

All a ban will do is make those boys pee on the seats in retaliation. GGG makes a good point in that the school should teach the incoming students new principles. Instead of teaching them to sit, though, they should teach them to clean up after themselves.

It seems strange to me that there are no urinals in these bathrooms. I understood, from the article, that the bathrooms are shared by the girls and boys, but that's no excuse not to put up a couple of stalls with urinals in them.
With urinals in place, the seats might stay a little cleaner, and no one meddles with God's work.

SamDamnit (1192) -- 10.05.2006

I pee sitting down, if I am just hanging around my house. I don't have to woryy about their being pee on the seat, because Mary Mary also pees sitting down. It just makes sense. It sounds to me like these Germans need to invest in urinals.
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Double Flush (604) -- 10.05.2006

I agree that it's time for some urinals. Also, are only students made sit to pee, or does the male staff have to do it too? If it was just students, and then they added staff to the mix, I bet there'd be some objections to it.

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Bilgepump (1731) -- 10.05.2006

(sigh) When Dave-o sent this story out on the BM wire for his intrepid band of reporters to write up, I was gonna do it, and in fact, did do a write up, even after Daphne had requested it, cuz she was ill, and nothing better to do. I though to myself, "Self, why don't you do a back up in case Daph's medications impede her ability to write". So I did. Clear headed, frighteningly witty, in depth analysis of this story insued...but now I am so glad I never sent it to Dave, because, yet again, the Zookeeper's talent and ability shine through the fog of snot, meds, and children. What a woman!!! God bless Daphne!!! Great Job baby!!!

daphne (3667) -- 10.05.2006

I am tempted to give you a good comment point out of my own narcissism. Me me me me me. But instead it would be right to just say "thank you, Bilgey, for that nice comment." So then,

"Thank you Bilgey. That was very nice of you."

The point of making the male teachers pee sitting down also is something that should be most definitely addressed and implemented; and were I to be a mom of a little boy attending that school, this would be my first remark.

This subject is kind of interesting, and we should keep an eye out for how it ends up, with urinals, montoring, sitting peers, or an unabashed riot of zealotous, Norwegian men waving their pinklers all over the place while chucking Bibles at any woman who dares to walk by their display of he-manness. Hmmm. Yes, it appears once again I have too much time on my hands.


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Nine Inch Log (361) -- 10.06.2006

Either way, sitting or standing, it doesn't make much of a difference to me. When I stand sometimes I spray, but I was trained by dear ol' mommie to clean up after myself. When I sit I can never seem to completely empty my bladder so when I go to stand I get this nice little leakage that sometimes dribbles on the seat, in my pants, etc. I just find it easier and more effictive to stand and clean.

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pcpooper (13) -- 10.06.2006

I think the male body was intended to pee while standing (thus why when you sit you don't feel as empty), the bladder was designed for standing...in females it was designed for sitting.

KesAFloyd (88) -- 10.07.2006

The female bladder was no more designed to sit than the male bladder. Think about Lucy the australopithecus walking around naked in Africa. She didn't sit to pee on an upturned hollow log. She spread her legs apart and went standing. That's why women have historically worn dresses--so they can lift their skirts and go without having pants in the way.

Lame comment! -1 point
Double Flush (604) -- 10.07.2006

I think that, if anything, the Asians have it right. I believe squatting is the most natural position for taking a dump. For peeing, yes, I think standing is best for both sexes.

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I'm so good at clogging up toilets, I can make mine back up when there's nothing in it.

Boopoo (44) -- 10.07.2006

The very first law in Article I of the Universal Man and Nature Peenal Code is that men and boys must pee standing up. The only exceptions are:

(a) When shitting, the man may remain seated to pee.

(b) When using a bed pan, the man is not compelled by law to stand.

daphne (3667) -- 10.08.2006

c.) But if that man decides to stand while using a bedpan, the nursing attendant may feel compelled to kick him in the ass.


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Boopoo (44) -- 10.08.2006

And if the kick results in a spill or a misdirected stream onto the floor, who will clean up the mess?

Wait a minute. European - You're a peein' I just now got the pun in your title!

The Shit Volcano (3740) -- 10.12.2006

My name is TSV and I broke the law today. In fact, I break the law every day! At least at a certain Norwegian school.

The idea that anyone would try to order someone to go to the bathroom in a certain way is disgusting. What happened to pee-er's rights? That, and why don't they just make the little bastards clean the seat when they are done. Duh!

However, I think it is disgusting to bring religion into this. Somehow I doubt if the higher powers are the least bit interested in how a human being pisses!

This is another case where ultras collide. Ultra-liberal makes a stupid rule to "protect" someone. Ultra-conservative calls out ultra-liberal and brings God into it to prove his whiney point. The medie obsesses over a political issue of which no one cares, distracting us from important things like war and nuclear testing. The end.

Nice report, though, Daphne. People on PR actually should be aware when their bathroom rights are being violated.

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Anonymous Coward (not verified) -- 10.12.2006

Amen TSV, amen. I also think we get caught up in way too much extraneous bullshit that distracts us from more weighty matters, such as you enumerated above. Run for office TSV and I'll vote for you.

Double Flush (604) -- 10.12.2006

I like TSV's political rants, and I agree with the stuff she says. If she were to run, I would definitely vote for her.

Way to go, TSV! That's a great comment. People need to stop being such extremists, stop pushing religion into everything, and get some damned sense in their heads!

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I'm so good at clogging up toilets, I can make mine back up when there's nothing in it.

Anonymous Pisser (not verified) -- 10.13.2006

Piss outdoors, trees and lawns have no lids.

werewolf poopin... (101) -- 12.18.2006

I put religion into a lot of things... Does that mean I don't have any sense? I don't want to force my religion on others (all religions are right and valid in their own ways) but I also won't just stand there and let people walk all over me.
I will admit, however, that this particular case isn't a religious argument. If we weren't supposed to pee both sitting and standing, why were we created that way?

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DungDaddy (1386) -- 10.05.2007

Good reporting, Daphne. This is further proof of the deep wussification of Europe.

Hamster (581) -- 10.05.2007

I was in some IT company offices in London this week. The toilets were unisex - through one entrance door there were two toilets in seperate small rooms - and there was a notice on the entrance door advising users that they must sit down to use the toilets. I've never seen that before, and, as has been said already, quite unenforceable. I didn't sit down, but then neither did I pee on the seat or the floor.

The Thunderous ... (710) -- 10.06.2007

Its like I always say. Just be considerate of each other especially in unisex bathrooms or in a household that is predominantly female. That means the old adage holds true. If you sprinkle when you tinkle then be neat and wipe the seat OR just sit down for gods sake. I mean whos watching anyway. If it keeps bathrooms cleaner and neater then it will lead to the reduction perhaps of the Shameless.
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Hamster (581) -- 10.07.2007

Absolutely Thunderous! Be considerate. That's all it is.

Yesterday I felt the urge whilst sitting having my hair done. I could have used the toilet there, but I know the salon girls use it, and I didn't want to stink them out, or worse, cause a blockage. So I waited till I got to the shopping mall. Must say I gave the flush a severe test, and was impressed by the response!

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