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Grass, ass, and then gas

Posted 03.07.2006 by AssBlaster2000
With the situation surrounding oil being what it is today, people around the world are searching for economically viable alternative fuels. It's not easy. Hybrid cars are more expensive that regular; ethanol and hydrogen fuels are expensive to produce and not widely available; and on the home front, converting your home's heating system can be expensive -- and less common alternatives like solar panels or wind power are not always practical.

So why not heat your home or power your car with something that all living things produce in abundance? The concept of recycling poop isn't exactly new, but some pioneers in Japan and San Francisco are trying to utilize dung to power cars and homes, respectively.

The city of San Francisco is battling a waste disposal problem. The Guardian UK reports that "4% of the city's residential waste -- some 6,500 tons a year -- is made up of animal byproducts, a scientific term for dog shit. The dog shit rivals disposable nappies for the space it takes up on landfill sites." The city has hired a company called Sunset Scavenger to do the dirty work. They will be scooping the poop in public places, storing and fermenting it, and then selling it back to the city's inhabitants in the form of methane gas. The plan is that the methane will power their appliances. What's next -- will human poop soon be going into a composter to fire up the gas stove or water heater? In twenty years will I be saying to Mr. Blaster, "Honey, eat extra beans today so I can have a hot bath?" If that's the case, I picked the right husband!

Across the Pacific, the ever-resourceful Japanese are making gasoline out of cow dung. Sakae Shibusawa, an agriculture engineering professor at the Tokyo University of Agriculture and Technology, said his team has successfully extracted .042 ounces of gasoline from every 3.5 ounces of cow dung by applying high pressure and heat. He also figures that "about 551,155 tons of cattle dung are produced each year in Japan." Doing the math,* that could produce about 361,695 gallons of gasoline each year. If the typical Japanese car gets 30 miles per gallon, the Japanese could drive over ten million miles a year on cowpies. Shibusawa hopes to make this crappy technology commercially available within five years. Which means that gas mileage, while simultaneously taking on a much more literal meaning, may someday be measured in MPCP (Miles Per Cow Patty.)

But if that doesn't work out, good news: Japanese scientists have also found a way to extract vanillin -- an aromatic ingredient often used to make vanilla-scented products -- from bovine stinkbombs. Wrap your head around this: that vanilla air freshener you buy to mask the stench of the catbox, or poopy diapers, or your husband's toxic dookie bombs, could actually be made from cow dung itself.


*Editor's note: AB2K calculated it's 361,695 gallons of gas. I arrived at 1,653,465 gallons. Can somebody who's good at this sort of thing check the math?

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Great comment! +2 points
Bunga Din (1238) -- 03.07.2006

Good report AB2K, I wonder about the feasibility of such a project as the amount of gas produced seems fairly low in relation to the amount of material that will be nedded to be processed for the extraction.

Daves figure for the volume of gas produced is correct.

To simplify: First we need to know how much gas will be produced per pound of shit:
16oz = 1 lb so, 16/3.5*.042=.192 fluid oz per pound of shit

Now we need to know how many pounds of shit we have: 551155*2000(ton) = 1102310000lbs

Now we need to see how many oz of gas will be produced so:1102310000*.192=211643520oz

Now we need to convert the oz to gallons, 128fl oz to gallons so: 211643520/128=1,653,465 US gal

For our British friends it would be .83271*1653465=1,376,856.8 Imp gal

What strikes me here is that in Canada we have just started ramping up the oil sands project, it takes 2 tons of sand to produce one barrel of oil, which is then refined to provide about 19.5 gallons of gas and countless other products such as heating oil, kerosene etc.

So if we compare the volume of raw material to produce gas from shit it is 666.67 lbs of shit per gallon versus the oil sands (the least commercially viable oil extraction process currently working)205.1lbs of sand, plus with the sand you end up with all the extra products.

While I agree it's important for us to find other methods to obtain energy I think the above will not be viable in our lifetime.

The Dumpster (2507) -- 03.07.2006

This has long been the subject of intellectual discourse. Dumpster is currently rereading "Les Miserables," by Victor Hugo, and commends to the assemblage Part V, "Jean Valjean," Book II, "The Intestine of Leviathan," Chapter I, "The Earth Impoverished by the Sea," for one of the most eloquent extant exquisitions on the cloaca in all of literature. Let's just say that Hugo was about 150 years ahead of us on this.

Fart Poopie (1258) -- 03.07.2006

This idea is great because it provides a solution to two problems: pollution from animal waste and the need for more non-fossil fuels.
If the Japanese think they can get it working and ready for commercial application within 5 years, then who am I to say they won't make it happen. Hopefully in 5-8 years all of us at PoopReport will be putting our poo to work, like it should be.

Great comment! +1 point
The Shit Volcano (3817) -- 03.07.2006

Shit-powered cars would be a great thing but at the moment I don't think it is viable. Honestly, how do you attach a politician to your car and expect him to STAY there!

AssBlaster2000 (1116) -- 03.07.2006

Okay, I concede to Dave and Bunga. I missed the last step of the whole equation. Oh well. It was fucking 2:30 in the morning when I wrote this. When I re-did the math I came up with the right answer. I failed calculus in college too, but the second time I took it I got an A. I asked Dave to check my math . . . I didn't count on Bunga being fucking right when I was wrong. I'll never live that one down. The cow dung could produce 1,653,465 gallons of gasoline; at my original estimate of 30 mpg the Japanese could drive 49,603,950 miles on shit gas. That's over halfway to the sun.

Cracktacular (229) -- 03.07.2006

It's all well and good to heat up and squeeze cow flop for gasoline, but where is the heat energy coming from? I doubt that the decomposition reaction of the dung's natural composting action would produce enough BTUs to convert the poopies into gas. So, some other fuel must be used. Seems like spending a dollar to make 50 cents.

Perhaps the method will be refined and this is only a stepping stone.

The Dumpster (2507) -- 03.07.2006

AB2K writes, "I didn't count on Bunga being fucking right when I was wrong." The way these two bicker, I'm wondering if they are long-lost siblings, or something.

Fart Poopie (1258) -- 03.07.2006

Cracktacular, you make a good point.
That's why it's important that several alternate, environmentally friendly sources of energy are developed. As humans, I think it will be impossible for all of us to rely on a single miracle energy source that is both safe and fixes all the world's problems. First of all, I doubt such a fuel can be developed. Secondly, It wouldn't be practical or smart to rely on one energy source.
It's like the saying goes, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Well... while all those scientists are sorting those things out, I'll continue to dream of owning a poo powered minivan.

Poop Shooter (598) -- 03.08.2006

As soon as the worls realizes that there will never be enough "fuel" in the world, they might think outside the energy box and stop trying to make it.

I'm waiting for a solar powered electric razor!


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Poop Shooter!

Dave (11977) -- 03.08.2006

I doubt that the decomposition reaction of the dung's natural composting action would produce enough BTUs to convert the poopies into gas. So, some other fuel must be used. Seems like spending a dollar to make 50 cents.

Yes, but these aren't the only costs involved. Think of how much we spend on poop -- storage and transport and disposal are direct costs, and environmental issues are indirect costs. It's not just converting poop into gas -- it's also reducing those other costs (and wastes of energy).

Furthermore, imagine if they do this for human poop -- cities spend a billion dollars a pop to create a sewage treatment plant to separate poop from the water you flush it in so they can reclaim the water and turn the poop into sludge that they then have to get rid of in one way or another. Imagine if, instead, each plant was creating gasoline? While it might not be wholly profitable on its own, compared to the financial and environmental costs, it could be totally worth it.

As for efficiency: I get the impression this is more of a proof-of-concept experiment. I'm sure they plan on increasing the efficiency of the conversion in the future.

The Dumpster (2507) -- 03.08.2006

This would give rise to a whole new line of gas station names, too: Instead of "Shell," you would have "Smell." "BM" instead of "BP." Also "Drexxon," "Cramaco" (or maybe "Crapaco"), and "TexASSco" ("You can trust your car to the products with the (brown)star(fish)").

Bunga Din (1238) -- 03.08.2006

Dave,I disagree. Collecting poop is a logistics nightmare in comparison to mining. We'd spend more money on transporting the waste to a production facility than we could ever hope to draw out of the actual product, notice this study doesn't mention the energy expended to produce that gas. When I cited the oil sands as an example the costs and energy usage are extremely high in comparison to conventional oil exploration yet still manages to be profitable

As you mentioned most of these endeavors are undertaken to understand a technology which may be useful elsewhere. But I can almost say unequivocally that gas from human or animal shit will not be viable in our lifetimes for use as a mass fuel source.

Victor Hugo (from beyond the grave) (not verified) -- 03.08.2006

Heed my warnings, O poo-sterity!

Dave (11977) -- 03.08.2006

But we already collect our poo. That's what sewage treatment plants do. And cow owners already collect their poo -- remember the manure fire?

I agree it won't be a mass fuel source. But I hope it will be a way to recover energy from something we'd otherwise be dumping in the ocean or burying in landfills.

Great comment! +1 point
Bunga Din (1238) -- 03.08.2006

The big problem with generating energy or processing sources of it is you need huge amounts of raw material in one location for the manufacture of a processing facility to make any sense.

These amounts of poop may seem large but they are tiny when you look at the cost of manufacturing a processing facility. Case in point would be our oil refineries. I think since 1982 there have been no significant facilities built because economically the oil companies don't see the investment of a billion dollars (cost of a large facility) as providing any benefit to their bottom line, a half a million barrels extra of oil processed each day is not going to benefit them or the consumer.

The USA consumes between 15-17 million barrels of oil per DAY, using industry figure of approximately 19 gallons of gas being produced by each barrel of oil you are talking about 285-320 million gallons per day, now look at it in relation to the volume of cow shit in Japan. Solutions of say 1-5 million gallons per year are not feasible for a product selling at $3.00/gal, we need solutions for the 200-500 million gallons before any facility would make sense. So now the reverse math tells us we'd need 121 times as many cattle as the Japanese have to make 1 refinery possible, and yet this would still not provide the USA with one days supply of gas. Problem is the resources that many extra cattle would use and greenhouse gasses that many cattle give off would cause us more problems and use more resources than it would generate.

As I said earlier, this idea is not feasible, that's one of the reasons it's being studied in Japan by an "agriculture engineering professor" instead of a chemical engineer or mechanical engineer, it's not a solution.

Dave (11977) -- 03.08.2006

The big problem with generating energy or processing sources of it is you need huge amounts of raw material in one location for the manufacture of a processing facility to make any sense.

That's what I'm saying. Every major American city already has all the raw materials in one place. (Assuming that this process can use human poop instead cow poop, which is a big assumption.) The infrastructure brings the poop from your toilet to a centralized collection point where it is separated from water. What can you do with that leftover sludge? You can apply it to land as fertilizer, but that's a really dicey proposition because of all the (non-organic) toxins. You can dump it in the ocean, you can bury it in a landfill. My point is: all the raw material is already collected. Granted that I know nothing about the process, it seems to me that converting it to gasoline would at least squeeze *something* useful out of this otherwise-useless (and dangerous) sludge.

The point is not to solve our energy problems, but to deal with our sludge surplus.

Poop Shooter (598) -- 03.08.2006

SOLUTION!!!! Give all the damn cows exlax and Metamucile. They will poop 2-5 times as much and solve the supply problem. Now y'all quit yer bickering!

The world is screwed, FUEL will never work if we have to actually make it. Think outside the box. Not enough poo, or coal, or oil, or uranium or plutonium. We need an endless supply of fuel!! Just what could it be??

We need a car that runs on air or dirt or Energizer batteries. Heck, they are only $6.00 for a 2-pack at Wally-Mart. eeeeeks My car might go forever like th ebunny if I put Energizers in it versus $3.00/gallon unleaded.


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Regional POWER POOPING CHAMPION 1988-2006
Poop Shooter!

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 03.10.2006

My 2 Cents: As far as non-chemical procedures go, (those I can think of) we have solar power, hydraulic power, and wind power, all of which need to be harnessed more efficiently, to be sure.

But I'm not sure that *changing* manure or sand or rotting garden vegetation really IS "making" fuel. What's that chemical principle? The Law Of Conservation Of...Something? (Like when water goes from liquid to ice or steam?). The molecules are all still THERE; they're just CHANGED into a different form. Creating fuels is nothing more than rearranging existing components. We can't actually "make" anything that isn't there, in some form, already.

Lame comment!
poopmeisterscoop (not verified) -- 05.23.2006

I am strongly opposed to using poopy as fuel... you are all dastardly murderers, poopy is my friends.
Poopy dave.

Quantumreg (not verified) -- 05.30.2006

Gentlemen.....you are slightly miscalculating the amount of fuel you will get from the bullshit. It is a very simple calculation. Take the amount of fuel you get from the dung....which is .42oz/3.5oz of shit. That is approximately 1/8th by weight....so take the tonnage of shit...which is 551,155 tons....divide by 8...you get 68,894 tons of fuel....now multiply that by 2000...to get the number of pounds....equals 137,788,750 pounds of fuel....now take that and times it by 1.2...which is the specific gravity differential...now that equels 165,346,500 LITERS...not GALLONS....now divide that by the US gallon...which is 3.76 liters...and you get 4,397,513 gallons.....which is the correct number. Simple math

Quantum

Quantumreg (not verified) -- 05.30.2006

Im sorry gentlemen....particularly since I said it was simple math...apparently not so simple...I made an error...which I will now correct...It it 43,975,132 gallons. Sorry...left out the two.

Signed.....feeling foolish

Double Flush (626) -- 05.30.2006

Awesome idea AB2K! I've always been fond of the idea of using compost (all the yard waste and not just poop itself) to power stuff. Now all I have to do is wait for someone to make it feasible. I'd like to be able to drive a car powered by compost or live in a house powered by compost. It's much better than relying on oil or, in my case, uranium.

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Practicing the ancient Chinese art of double flushing... because sometimes, a single flush just isn't enough.

The Dumpster (2507) -- 05.30.2006

"Uranium." Har, har! Is that anything like the person over in the limerick contest who wrote about "Jupiter Saturn Uranus"?

Double Flush (626) -- 05.31.2006

Sadly, no. Just reference to the nuclear power plant that serves this area.

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Practicing the ancient Chinese art of double flushing... because sometimes, a single flush just isn't enough.

The Dumpster (2507) -- 05.31.2006

Uranus keeps missing the toilet. Uranium must be off. So where do you deposit the earth?

healthy 1 (1431) -- 11.08.2006

TSV 3/7/06, I agree. I suppose you could Chenny the politician to the car.

This is a great idea. The poop would produce the methane gas.

Once the older poop was fully decomposed, it could be used as fertilizer.

The program would keep millions of tons of sewagge out of the landfills and water supplies.
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A man who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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