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The paradox of public bathrooms

Posted 08.14.2007 by Dave
"I think we should have a facility, but not necessarily on one of the prime corners," says jewelry store owner Stephan Sternat, summing up the attitude of the majority of the shopkeepers in downtown Santa Cruz. There aren't enough toilets in the downtown area -- but while none of the store owners are clambering to open their bathroom doors to shoppers in need, neither are any willing to volunteer the sidewalk in front of their store for the city to install a self-cleaning public toilet unit.

It's a debate we've seen over and over again in American cities, a problem caused by a lack of foresight in whatever zoning scheme has brought identical Baby Gaps and J. Crews to hundreds of city centers across the country: while shoppers have all the Cinnabons and Mrs. Fields they can handle, there are precious few locations for when the buns and cookies become too much to bear. And even when respite is provided, public toilets quickly become havens for drugs, prostitution, and other evils in which people like to partake behind doors nobody wants to open anyway.

Like Santa Cruz, a number of cities have considered those fancy self-cleaning robotic toilets, but the cost of those can run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. However, aside from traditional bathrooms that janitors have to clean and cops have to monitor, there are only a few alternatives. China is catering to Beijing poopers through economies of scale with a new facility putting a thousand toilets under one roof. Unlike the deserted nighttime city center toilets in many American cities, this giant bathroom will have around-the-clock traffic, ensuring that too many eyeballs will be around for the kind of vices that thrive in deserted areas to crop up.

The city of Portland is trying a more progressive route: they're bringing the toilets under the watchful eye of the city government by opening City Hall's bathrooms to late-night users. These toilets will presumably be adequately monitored and staffed; better yet, there's probably some law banning turd terrorism on government property with a punishment stringent enough to discourage even the most dedicated shitman. With maintenance and cleaning, Portland's program will cost $46,500 over six months -- more expensive, in the long run, than Santa Cruz's robocrapper, which cashes in at $250,000 for the unit and $70,000 for the yearly maintenance. But why invest in a cyber facility when all you really need to ensure safe pooping are a few bored security guards and a few nearby mops?

Back in Santa Cruz, though, the city has turned down the high-tech fix for the age-old problem in favor of the age-old solution: no bathroom at all.

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Fudgepump (367) -- 08.14.2007

As I read, I was thinking about the self-cleaning toilet/bathroom. The image that came to mind was the humble dishwasher - we put in the crusty dishes, and they're blasted from all sides by water jets, then air dried. Why not apply that design template to a restroom: high pressure nozzles can scour the whole room from every angle, then a couple of 20000 CFM fans will dry everything for the next visitor. Forget about just cleaning the toilet: the whole ROOM could be power washed, drained and dried - adios to wall art and vomit in the corner.
The whole thing sounds pretty low tech to me, and doesn't sound like it would be very expensive. A few cheap sensors, a PLC controller and several layers of logic and interlocks could probably be taught to distinguish between a dumper and a druggie. A flashing light combined with a voice message ("Thank You for using 'Dump and Go' - the cleaning cycle will begin in 20 seconds...") would discourage loiterers. For those among us who need 10 or more minutes to download, a "sniffer" sensor could verify that some preselected organic molecules are being released: the mutant shooting up while on the can had better at least be farting, or he'll get the 250 psi power wash. After the pleasant warning message from HAL, of course.

Mary Queen of Scats (389) -- 08.14.2007

I was thinking that way too Fudgepump. They could even put in automatic seat warmers and a steam function for those who prefer to poop in a sauna.

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No no, honey. Kitties don't sit on the potty.

Toilet Expert (29) -- 08.14.2007

Yeah Fudgepump, you're on to something. I've had longtime dreams of a bathroom that you can just hose down when dirty. It would be the world's easiest to clean bathroom and the cleanest in the world. And speaking of cleaning, imagine cleaning that thousand toilets under one roof bathroom!

Rot Bottom (26) -- 08.15.2007

After the client is finished, the toilet self-cleans and the cleaning process happens in just 50 seconds. First, a toilet bowl swivels and a cap comes clanking down on top to blast the bowl with all kids of disinfectant. The floor then folds up and is jet sprayed, and then the seat is dried with a big blower. The floor then folds back down and the bowl swivels back, ready for the next person.
Greater Boston's website

However every great social invention has a down side....
Ad for a Swiss Self-clean toilet

Further, check out the Exeloo brand of products, by RBA. My favorite is the Galaxy class, as it is so fantastic looking. All of their products include a full wash cycle.
Exeloo product site

Too late Fudgepump! Already patented.


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the Pirate Master Rot Bottom.

Deja Poo (1105) -- 08.15.2007

Hey, here's a low-tech solution that doesn't cost the taxpayers a dime: why not require that any business doing over a certain dollar amount of business to provide facilities to the public upon request? Sure, Bennetton and Ye Olde Incense Shoppe might have to let in the odd homeless person for a shit and a sink shower, but it would almost certainly stop the prostitutes and dope fiends from using public facilities.

Besides, almost every place of business provides a place for "business" for their employees by ordinance. Just expand the ordinance to include the public.

(And, by "ordinance" I don't mean anything in a 7.62 mm or 9 mm size.)
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Yo quiero Taco Bell.

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 08.15.2007

That's an interesting prospect! If the businesses don't want port-o-crappers in front of their buildings, then they SHOULD open their bathrooms to the public.

THEN, what they could do is all pitch in a certain amount of money every month for a shared janitorial service to do a round-robin to each bathroom throughout the day.

Surely that wouldn't cost any more than the perceived loss of business by having the port-o-john on the sidewalk!

Papi Pooed on my Couch!!! (not verified) -- 08.16.2007

It's a lesser-of-two poopers dilemma. Open business bathrooms to get 'em off the streets, or keep 'em out of the businesses to force customers to focus on spending more loot. Might be the question of our time.

Fudgepump (367) -- 08.16.2007

It doesn't surprise me that someone else beat me to it, RB. I figured my concept would be fairly easy to design and not very expensive: I would have been more shocked if no one had done it yet, somewhere.

bidet queen (not verified) -- 08.20.2007

Just after leaving the bathroom, yet again, in a record 20 minutes from start of meal to end of bathroom horror. I came upon this website and laughed so hard, I busted a gut. Kidding. Thanks for the laughs, on what ends up being the funniest stories. I share mine with just about anyone who will listen. My kids have witnessed me going from front seat of the car to third seat, carrying an empty Gap bag in hand, then back to the drivers seat, nearest trash can, all while still watching finding nemo on the DVD. Although, the guy who talked about knowing how to relax and do the Zen type of thing, really was correct. Now that I have had this disorder for the past 40 years, I can go from start to finish in no time flat. I do suggest newcomers try to learn to find the time to get their mind around the issue and relax it on out. I can put myself into a state of meditation almost, and get it out fairly quickly, and with a whole lot less pain then when I was younger. I prefer the dark. I am also not shy in public restrooms. I am the first to yell out, "I'm in here, and I'll be a while, oh, and sorry for the smell"! You gotta laugh, you just gotta laugh. When you miss desert at the finest restaurant in town, or when you miss the movie you just convinced all your friends to meet you at, all while you end up in the theatre bathroom. What a lonely place that is! I personally think the good Lord up above ought to bestow this disoder on all the boring people with no sense of humors, instead of giving it to the funniest damn people I know. well, thanks for the laughs, and I will use this website for therapy whenever possible. If i could only get my wireless to reach into the bathroom!

daphne (4623) -- 08.20.2007

You know what they say, - if you cannot bring Mohammed to the mountain, bring the mountain to Mohammed. Install a toilet next to your router.


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.....hugging bunnies since 1969
www.daphneszoo.com

Mary Queen of Scats (389) -- 08.21.2007

You know, I think you're onto something there daphne.

You could set up shop in an area where you know that none of the other stores have public bathrooms and welcomely open yours.

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No no, honey. Kitties don't sit on the potty.

Deja Poo (1105) -- 08.22.2007

Must resist. Oooohhh, try harder. Don't do it, Deja. Don't do it.

Oh, what the hell!

Welcomely open your what? Legs or bathroom?

Shoooh. Feel much better now.
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Yo quiero Taco Bell.

Rot Bottom (26) -- 08.23.2007

Haha! He called you a hoower!
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the Pirate Master Rot Bottom.

dirtybiatch (not verified) -- 08.24.2007

Though by nature I'm a shameful shitter, I'd be more than willing to pay the exorbitant prices of those high-tech toilets in order to escape the communal "ladies room" (which never has enough facilities in it anyway) and do my business in a private, hygienically-clean toilet.

Frank2401 (204) -- 08.24.2007

GGG, I need your help again- "do my business in a private, hygienically-clean toitet"... Why does that sentence make me keep giggling?

Frank2401 (204) -- 08.24.2007

sorry, toilet. but toitet is funny too.

The Thunderous ... (741) -- 08.24.2007

A self cleaning toilet especially a PUBLIC toilet would be nirvana. It would be so nice to be walking down the street and know that if a sudden urge to take a dump were to befall me I could depend on that crapper being clean and shiny. Who cares if its stainless steel of course you would think that the powers that be would install some kind of heating mechanism for the seat in winter time. I would even be willing to pay 50 cents. Hey if its between taking a fifty cent dump OR crapping a $50 pair of pants uh I believe its no brainer here peeps. The bottom line is there is NO janitorial service, there is NO group of people that clean their bathrooms the same way so how can you depend on that public restroom to be clean all the time UNLESS it cleans itself. THIS is the way to go.
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The Thunderous Crapper 63 Enjoying home toilet advantage since 2004!

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 08.24.2007

Frank2401 (112) -- 08.24.2007 -- "... Why does that sentence make me keep giggling?"

Well, let's see...

Hygienically-clean-->Hygienist-->Dentist-->
-->Laughing gas?

Mary Queen of Scats (389) -- 08.28.2007

Which ever does it for you, Deja *wink wink*

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No no, honey. Kitties don't sit on the potty.

Miss Simone Scat (570) -- 08.28.2007

GGG- Now YOU have me giggling. This was almost like six-degrees of Kevin Bacon. Hee Hee. Good one GIRL.
Producing waste since 1967

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