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Seattle to close its public toilets (and why this is good for poopers everywhere)

Posted 07.17.2008 by Dave
Shiny metal structures have popped up in cities all over the world: automatic toilets that give a user twenty minutes of privacy before the door opens, the person leaves, the door closes, and the robotic sanitation cycle begins. As I've said before, these units make so many design sacrifices to achieve the ideal of self-cleaning that they become unusable for their intended purpose: providing a convenient place to poop.

One of the first cities to adopt automatic toilets was Seattle. They spent $5 million in 2004 to build glimmering steel cylinders that turned out to be less ideal for tourists caught without a Starbucks than for people shooting up and having sex with prostitutes. (Fart Poopie provided this firsthand tour back in 2006.)

So now Seattle is closing their automatic toilets, putting the units on eBay starting at $89,000 each.

From today's New York Times: "Seattle officials say the project here failed because the toilets, which are to close on Aug. 1, were placed in neighborhoods that already had many drug users and transients." What's more, unlike other cities, Seattle law prohibit the city from recouping their costs with ads.

"'Other cities around the world seem to be able to handle toilets civilly,' said Richard McIver, a Seattle city councilman. 'But we were unable to control the street population, and without the benefit of advertising, our costs were awfully high.'

"In Seattle, problems arose almost immediately. Users left so much trash behind that the automated floor scrubbers had to be disabled, and prostitutes and drug users found privacy behind the toilets' locked doors.

"'I'm not going to lie: I used to smoke crack in there,' said one homeless woman, Veronyka Cordner, nodding toward the toilet behind Pike Place Market. 'But I won't even go inside that thing now. It's disgusting.'"

But Seattle's decision isn't a setback for the cause of public toilets. It's a step in the direction of a more appropriate technology: humans with brooms for sanitation, and passers-by with eyeballs for security. As the Times says: "Rather than automated toilets, some cities are looking for cheaper alternatives that would be cleaned by human attendants. One prototype, to be installed next month in Portland, Ore., would cost $50,000 each, compared with some $300,000 for an automated unit.

"Randy Leonard, a Portland city commissioner, helped design that toilet, which in addition has open gaps at the top and bottom of the door, a feature discouraging drug abuse, prostitution and the like."

Public toilets have to balance pooping privacy against the human inclination to do terrible things when no one is watching. The gaps in Portland's toilet doors will mean that someone might recognize your shoes, but they'll also ensure the toilets don't get abused so much that you won't want to use them at all.

Show some poop support, or make a poop retort.
MSG (575) -- 07.17.2008

I think it is better to have public toilets in groups. When one is in a "unit" off by itself, temptations arise to do things or leave things that one would never do in a truly public place. Totally enclosed and separate single units are just asking for trouble. Even with visibility at foot level, there is still temptation for mischief higher up. By contrast, if one is in a multi-stall public environment, with other people there or the potential of someone walking in at any time, the more likely urge is to get done and leave.

Thunderbox (824) -- 07.17.2008

Can`t really see anyone wanting to pay $89,000 for a smelly, shit and spooge stained tardis.

You could build a luxury bathroom extension to your house for far less - and have plenty left for beer.

But, no doubt, there are a few retards out there with more money than sense.

Hum bunger (107) -- 07.18.2008

Thunderbox, elected officials have no qualms about wasting taxpayer money. Somewhere right now a bureaucrat is bidding for a 'like new' municipal toilet.

Warren 'The Bathroom Man' (not verified) -- 07.18.2008

What person in their right mind would want to buy one of these used toilets! You definitely wouldn't catch me doing it! Though like you say thunderbox...i'm sure someone will!

The Thunderous ... (660) -- 07.18.2008

So NOW you will have people urinating and crapping and screwing ON THE STREETS. So you get rid of one problem and now come up with a whole host of others. Our tax dollars at work.
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daphne (3522) -- 07.18.2008

And then, you drive down I5 and see the differences between Tacoma and Seattle, and think "wow, Seattle is so much nicer." (This should tell you what Tacoma is like.)

During the past couple of years here, the taxes that have been so hotly debated have been to rebuild a few bridges and overpasses that have been allowed to erode into extremely bad shape. This cost must have been shoved under the door - I never heard a thing about it!


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Squat-n-leaveit (106) -- 07.18.2008

Have to disagree with Daphne. Tacoma is nicer than Seattle in almost every way. Seattle-ites are (for the most part) pretentious, self aggrandizing, and phony. I have described Seattle as a town that walks and talks like a bunch of hippies, but act like they are in the Sicilian mob. These toilets might have helped the homeless, and therefore must fail.

The Shit Volcano (3737) -- 07.19.2008

I find it pathetic that the toilets were so dirty the crackhead wouldn't use them anymore! Exactly how filthy are we talking here? A little scattered garbage and shit-smeared artwork dirty? Or, I'd rather use the Superdome after Katrina dirty?

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prarie doggin (1947) -- 07.19.2008

Boy those crackheads are really getting uppity these days.

Nine Inch Log (349) -- 07.19.2008

*sips his starbucks while riding the ferry to Bainbridge* All on really needs is an office downtown with his or her own private bathroom. *sip sip*


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Squat-n-leaveit (106) -- 07.19.2008

During the debate leading up to the purchase of these toilets, homeless advocates argued that it would be cheaper to have a restroom facility, complete with showers and a Laundromat, with a full time attendant, than to buy and maintain those automated money flushers.

daphne (3522) -- 07.21.2008

Lakewood is the hood, Squat!


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Butt Dumpling (35) -- 07.25.2008

I wish they would install these stainless steel thrones in San Francisco.I'm so tired of seeing these Bums,Whores,Homeless,Gang Members,Fags,(excuse me,Homosexuals) doing all their crap in the street.At least they would have a place to do their thing in private.And not subject the rest of us to to their shenanigans,horseplay and tomfoolery.

RoboCrap13 (353) -- 07.25.2008

In that case, maybe George Michael would like to buy one. All of the thrills with none of the arrest hazard!
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greenpoopertrooper (334) -- 07.25.2008

89,000 each? Exactly how many of these things are there? I hope they don't have their hopes up tto high about selling these things. It would be cheaper to have a bunch of stalls cleaned by a person.
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I will never shit somewhere that only has that horrible, scratchy brand of toilet paper. That stuff sucks!

prarie doggin (1947) -- 07.25.2008

Sounds like typical government overspending. I wonder how much of that money lined the pockets of politicians who would never place their holy asses on one of them. Maybe we need to bring Sam Singh to this country to show our cities how to build toilets at a reasonable cost.

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