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Daltony Toilet: The Next Low-Flow?

Posted 02.02.2004 by Dave (11987)
Water has four uses in your toilet: to wash the rim and bowl; to keep the water seal (that is, to keep your logs covered so they don't stink); to carry away waste; and to facilitate siphonic drainage.

Siphonic drainage is the same process that allows you to siphon gas from your neighbor's car. When you flush, a gush of water is released from the tank straight down into the sewage pipe. This creates negative pressure that sucks the water in the bowl down the hole, along with all the poop and bits of corn it contains. The water that flushes into the bowl itself is actually more for cleaning off your smears than it is for flushing down your dooks.

In 1992, the US government mandated that toilets should flush with 1.6 gallons of water, as opposed to 3.5 gallons that was the 80's standard (or 5 to 7 gallons, as it was in the 70's). And despite the career Dave Barry has made for himself complaining about low-flow toilets, they do work -- if they're designed and installed properly. Admittedly, a lot of them aren't.

But 1.6 gallons is still a lot of water. A person should drink at least 48 ounces of water a day, so even in with a low-flow toilet, your poop is commandeering enough water for four people. With droughts and climate change and, you know, Al Qaeda and everything else that threatens our way of life, it seems to me that steps should be taken to drastically lower the amount of water per flush before it's too late.

So I was relieved to get an email from a Brazilian inventor named Daltony. He's designed a toilet that eliminates siphonic drainage from the flushing process.

Actually Daltony toilets don't have a hole cut in the side. This is a model.

"By substituting a tipping cup, a counterweight and a latch for the conventional siphon in the flushing toilet, I have considerably bettered the water economy as well as the overall performance of the commonplace water-flush toilet. When one 'flushes,' the latch releases the tipping cup, which in its turn, drops the contents directly into the sewer pipe in a quick and precise way."

The result: a flush that requires only four liters for solid waste -- just over a gallon. A savings that may one day represent nearly two human beings not dying of thirst while Al Qaeda-affiliated sun-poisoned mutants crawl all over the smoking remains of New York.

The Daltony toilet is a typical toilet in every other way. You still poop into a pool of water. Water still comes down to clean off your smears. The only difference is that the sewage is dumped out instead of flushed out. Water still washes your log down the sewer pipes -- although with a bit less velocity. But a well-designed piping system means that's not a problem. No matter what Osama has planned, gravity will still work.

But seeing how the US is trending towards ever more wasteful forms of consumption, I doubt the urgency of water conservation will catch on until it's too late. But at least Dave Barry will have a successful career.


Daltony's last word:

"The Daltony toilet system is efficient and silent, won't leave 'skid marks' behind, will never clog, makes the wastes disappear from sight right away and even effectively prevents snakes, toads, rats and other pests from getting into our houses."

-- Dave

the shit reaper (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

snakes can get into our houses through the toilet???? wtf?.. maybe in Brazil

me (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

Yeah, first post!
How does it prevent the noxious fumes rising from the sewer pipe?!

me (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

DOH!

smurd (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

looks like a courtesy flush wont do much good. The pipes do smell bad too.

ThreePly (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

"The Daltony toilet system is efficient and silent, won't leave 'skid marks' behind, will never clog, makes the wastes disappear from sight right away..."

And not get the chance to admire my feat before flushing it away? No thanks. I'll stick to my 1980's porcelain hydro-vac. Bush will find Osama this year anyway. We can't let fear of water loss influence the level of water required to send our turds away to the promised land.

Tydirium (516) -- 02.02.2004

there is still a bowl. you can still admire your logs before flushigng.

ill linton (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

They already have Osama. Dubyuh's going to wait until closer to election time to announce the capture(mark my words). My guess, end of August/Early Sept.

stinkyfingerpuppet (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

As a master plumber, this is the kind of shit that gets my gears turning. In my world, poop equals funny and/or money. Remember, I am a master in the art of safely sending the kids down the subway... with that said, I can assure you that the "tipper crapper" will fail to meet federal, state, and local code requirements therefore never seeing active duty on American soil. Until someone can revise or re-design the current shitter, we will all keep flushing in a manner that the government approves.

daphne (4509) -- 02.02.2004

Hey,
I only had one thought when looking at this, and it's sad, because my second grader is doing her science project on making a toilet, and this was a good deal of information.

"Who the hell is going to clean this thing?"

Yes, that was my first reaction. We are talking about the splatter down there? Holy cow. While this is great, this is one toilet that would make me think about wearing my husband's chemical suit from the gas chamber.

Maybe the person responsible for not allowing this to catch on is a female in a high-paid governmnet position who had a splattering dad. I could not imaging cleaning this, and if I am wrong about the mess, I would love for this to be cleared up so I could support it, too.

By the way, livestock gets over one half of the water in the United States besides 80 percent of the nation's antibiotics, so if you are concerned about water, go vegetarian. The poop output is only a bonus! (Jackson Pollock rules)

My reaction is this, therefore, is that there should be a hinged door on the outside of the drop device, because, damn, who wants to see that on the floor?

daphne (4509) -- 02.02.2004

I was really impressed by this, though.

Slim Jim Junkie (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

The most persistant shit will cling to the lower bowl. then, it will keep stinking. Also, when this thing is flushed, a waft of brown gas could still easily rise from the sewer.

The Shit Volcano (3818) -- 02.02.2004

It's bad enough that water saving toilets have to clog at the drop of a hat. Now they have to stink too? This kind of system sounds similar to what is used on the train and that does no fucking good for the smell or the flush!

GiantTurd (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

Major flaw: if a turd is rather sticky and splattery, a second flush will do nothing to release it. And if said turd exceeds the couterbalance weight, it'll be time to pull an "inside-out garbage-bagger", which is of course, no one's favorite job. Aside from this and the hideous reek of sewer gas... Also, the large open area between the bucket and the hole looks like "turd-repository central" to me. Last week's festering turd or 16oz. fresh water? hmm...

GiantTurd (not verified) -- 02.02.2004

I just had another humourous thought... What if the cup isn't completely clean when it pops back up under force of the couterweight? I can't see how it could be _completely_ clean. PLORP! Turdlet catapult. Woe to those with carpet in the bathroom or who flush whilst still sitting. I'm sure he thought of this, but it's still funny to think about.

daphne (4509) -- 02.02.2004

GiantTurd, that is freaking hysterical!
I got a great visual of this, because I was reading it and the TV was on, and there was this snooty rich woman being interviewed about politics or something on the news.
I pictured her getting a brown bidet.
Hehehehe.

The Shit Volcano (3818) -- 02.02.2004

And what of the outhouse monsters? Wouldn't they use this system as an excuse to reach up and grab your asscheeks?

Poonurse (1313) -- 02.03.2004

Mr. Poonurse passes some of the most enormous logs I have ever seen. We keep a coat hanger next to the toilet for chopping purposes. I fail to see how this contraption would handle said fece-monster.

The Shit Volcano (3818) -- 02.03.2004

Sounds like Mr. Poonurse has my problem. I, too, keep a coat hanger (and a plunger) next to the toilet bowl.

Dave (11987) -- 02.03.2004

To clarify some points raised: I actually had a much more extensive interview with Mr. Daltony than this article reflects. Here are some points he made:

With regards to the cleansing ability of the flush:

"Rushing water in Daltony's toilet has a twofold purpose: to thoroughly wash the rim and bowl as well as bending the tipping cup at a 90 degree angle to carry away the wastes in a free fall manner, by overcoming the magnetic resistance that holds the tipping cup and the water seal in its stand by horizontal position. Unlike common siphonic toilets, there's no uphill work to be done inside Daltony's toilet."

It sounds like the tipping cup is designed not to tip until there is at least 2 liters of water in the bowl (that being the smallest flush, for liquid wastes). If you're dropping logs that weigh as much as a two-liter bottle of soda... dang.

Dave (11987) -- 02.03.2004

Another point. I asked him:
"It seems there is a rather large chamber below the tipping cup. I can imagine large logs splashing awkwardly from the tipping cup and smearing and/or getting trapped in that chamber below the cup. What happens then? Is it possible to clean in the chamber? I worry that the chamber would grow stagnant with gasses and old waste, and every time one flushes a burst of smell would flow upwards from that chamber. How do you address that?"

Daltony replied:
"Keeping toilet wastes from clinging to the walls of the discharge chamber is a relatively easy task. It's simply a matter of replacing its previous flat floor design with a funnel-like shape and making its inner surface smoother by having it enameled. Even so, if the user feels the toilet must get a complete cleaning job, the tipping cup may be forced open, for instance, with a broom handle, allowing a great deal of access to the part of the discharge chamber that eventually needs to be cleaned. These hints come from the accumulated experience of operating Daltony's toilets for more than a year. Incidentally, most toilet siphons in Brazil aren't enameled on the inside. And even those rare ones that are get dirty due to their inherent shape and are never seen and * much less * adequately cleaned by janitors.

Dave (11987) -- 02.03.2004

Finally, I asked:
"Is there water in the bowl prior to the flush? Poop stinks -- covered in water, the stench is contained for those of us who spend 10-20 minutes doing their business. I assume there is water in your bowl for the same purpose...?"

Daltony responded:
"Yes, there's always about 1.2 liters (about a third of a US gallon) prior to the flush to make sure that the water seal is kept and to prevent the solid wastes from smearing the bottom of the tipping cup. Daltony's Toilet Model, a.k.a. Daltony's Ecological System, hasn't changed anything about the ubiquitous toilet bowl and water flush design. Just the siphon was replaced by a tipping cup, a counterweight, a couple of permanent magnets and a funnel-like discharge chamber which empties directly into the sewer pipe whenever one flushes it. Children, elderly as well as handicapped people and even the so called average user can all feel at ease for they'll keep on flushing as they've always been.

"Culturally speaking as well as regarding comfort issues, that is a very important subject. Add to it the feeling of doing something good for the planet by saving precious water that otherwise would be squandered and the assurance that your toilet is less likely to clog. "

daphne (4509) -- 02.04.2004

Shit Volcano,
Outhouse monsters?
Just what the heck did you parents use for bedtime stories?

That was my favorite comment this week.

"The Daltony Toilet, preferred by outhouse monsters everywhere. Available at Lowe's and Oscar's Outhouse Emporium, both located in the central plaza of Sesame Street, across from Mr. Hooper's Store."

The Shit Volcano (3818) -- 02.04.2004

Ha ha ha!!!

Jungle Kid (not verified) -- 02.05.2004

Yes, mr. shit reaper. Here in Brazil if you don't clean your toilet, a hord of chanting snakes may come at night to catch you when you sleep. The whole world is a jungle, you know...

Carlos,Soto (not verified) -- 12.02.2004

Toilet Sounds to be to be a dome way to makeka toilet. First if oyu know plumbing like i do a plstic Cup could break form force and The way toilets are now are 1.6 letters of evert flush. So i liek the way Totiler were made. This new toiel to me is nto a big winner at all., Suppose the cup breks now you ge r big oepn hole int he bottom of the toiet tahn wah do you do. I see no point in this when the the toeilet we have today do haev water and ues lees any way.

healthy 1 (1430) -- 09.18.2006

As message two in the thread indicated, sewer gas could be a big problem with that toilet. There are 4 liter (1.1 gallon) conventional flush toilets on the market (if you know where to look). The only brand I know that is making them is Mancesa (an off brand)there may be others. This particular toilet uses velocity flush, there are seven jets under the front of the ring. When flushed, this toilet sends a jet of water straight down at the drain hole. I own one of these toilets, and have given this toilet some real challenges, and have had no problems with double flushing.
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Jammin' lo'flo's since 1977.

Anonymous Coward (not verified) -- 09.19.2006

I was told just the other day about a brand of toilet that the salesman said he could flush 12 golf balls and 3 hotel shampoo bottles down at once. I'm just guessing by the look of this thing that too large a load would cause the hinged part to not close correctly. Like a massive shit brick of the type I drop after eating anything with cheese in it.

healthy 1 (1430) -- 10.19.2006

AC 9/19. You must be talking about the American Standard Champion.

I just bought a new upstairs toilet. An Eljer Titan. Supposedly the Titan can flush 500 marbles. The Titan supposedly uses 1.5 gallons of water but, when I flush and release, only about 1/2 a gallon or so is used. It appears to have a small flush / big flush feature. The thing is so strong that using all of the water is simply a waste. The Titan is pretty close to the Champion, and 100 times quieter too.

Looks like my trusty turdchopper is headed for the unemployment line for good.
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It's not nice to fool mother nature.

Anonymous Coward II (not verified) -- 10.14.2007

I'd say offhand that Mr Daltony had never seen a real toilet before, and invented one from his imagination.....

There is no way in hades that anyone in N. America or Europe would buy one of these.

The Thunderous ... (741) -- 10.14.2007

My dad used to work in the underground (he put in sewer systems) and said that was the biggest problem with old houses and plumbing. Rats used to climb thru into the toilets. So all thru the years dad keeps that lid DOWN on the toilet. Not JUST the seat but the LID as well. Now about this toilet, this tipping cup now is it VISIBLE just like it is on the prototype or will that be contained in the bowl. To me that dookie is airborne at the bottom of the toilet which creates another unsanitary condition. Hey guys if you have ever had to CLEAN the bottom of the toilet you would know what I mean. Its dirty enough when its contained. What would the conditions be if it were exposed as it is in this case. I hope the finished product is closed off.
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The Thunderous Crapper 63 Enjoying home toilet advantage since 2004!

ChiliKahKah (1175) -- 06.14.2009

Bag it, given me an old american standard !

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