I generally do the fold-over when I'm at the last couple of swipes. The mess isn't so large at this point and a fold-over is a safe bet. I don't think I've ever browned my fingers while executing the fold-over.
Why do I do it? I'm really not sure. I never thought of myself as cheap but now I have been caused to question the extent to which I know myself.

Only acceptable when you're down to the last few poop tickets, and can't get any more. Otherwise, why be stingy? Go on and kill some trees; your ass deserves nice clean bumf and besides, they use recycled paper anyway.

Don't be niggardly with the butt-wipe!

I've been refolding all my life. I suppose it was a necessity when I was a kid as we never had any money and had a small septic tank. Now that I'm an adult with a job and live in a neighborhood with a public sewer system I suppose it's just a habit, and I feel sort of guilty when I don't do it. It does save on wiping time - that's less times you have to wind the TP around your hand and pull it off. All environmental concerns aside, why not refold? It lessens the amount of TP you have to buy. Consider the cost savings per year. I'm not going throug all the math because it's past my bedtime, but suffice it to say that if you use each helping of TP 3 times instead of just once, you'll naturally spend 1/3 of the money per year on TP. Maybe that doesn't add up to much but it's gotta be at least enough to buy a couple cases of beer. Less TP = More beer = Fun for everybody.

I refold every single time. I'm very ecologically aware, and I know that every little bit helps. If every single person refolded, than half as many trees would be cut down to make toilet paper.

It saves money, it saves trees... why wouldn't you? As long as I'm not drunk, I never get it on my fingers.

I guess I'm a refolder too. It depends on how wet and greasy it is, but I usually don't do it on the first wipe. I refold on subsequent wipes, provided I'm not getting any "punch-through".

I'm a scruncher, so refolding isn't really an option. Since the scrunching technique is superior to folding, I only have to do two or three scrunch passes.

I have a worse problem. Two wrist surgeries and NO strength. So i waste a lot of paper. Most times i dont get a good swipe. BUT NO,,ive never once in my life considered re folding. I'm not that coordinated.

Like Di, I'm a scruncher too so refolding just doesn't happen. Instead, and mostly when I'm at work, if it looks like one wipe didn't clean out the crack, I don't hesitate to scrunch up a new bunch of toilet paper and give it another go. As long as you've got a strong flowing toilet, clogging usually doesn't occur. I have had my moments, but when I clog the toilet at work, a great sense of pride comes over me. These toilets are strong MF'ers, and if I take a shit big enough to clog one of the work toilets, I feel like a real man. It's refreshing and personally rewarding.

I am getting over a very bad upper-respiratory cold. I rarely get sick, so I never have boxes of Kleenex on hand. It should also be noted that I live in a rural area, and the closest store to purchase any sort of bathroom sundries is about 20 miles away. Well, I had been using the toilet paper to blow my nose, and I went through about one roll a day because the snot was incredibly thick. As my supply of toilet paper dwindled, I became worried. I was too ill to drive to the city to purchase more. As the last roll came down to the wire, I ended up using the roll method. But, I eventually ran out completely, even with the economical roll saving wipe fold-over. So I ended up having to use wet washcloths and wash them as toilet paper.

I usually don't refold. However, I will IF conditions allow.
After taking the first wipe from crapping something spicy, the TP is browned with 1/8 inch of crap. The smear covers so much of the tp that after refolding, you can still see the brown, and would be putting it back where it doesn't belong.
In that case, I need to take a huge crumples wad, fly over the ass canyon, then throw it in the crapper.
However, sometimes I dump the perfect turd. In that case, the first wipe leaves 1/64 inch of brown, and it only fills a small fraction of the TP. In that case, I refold, then give my crack a fine polishing.
However, in between the ultra ideal crap, and the super spicy dump, it is a judgement call. Your understang of TP skill required and the amount of crap to be removed are what matters. I say better safe than sorry, and don't take too many unnessacary risks. However, when there is very little paper over the cardboard tube, I take MANY risks, and refold every time after the first wad passes.

Since my ass is always dirty after I take a shit, refolding the toilet paper could prove dangereous to my fingers and hand. I would rather see the toilet paper get dirty and nasty and not my hand. The smell of ass does not come off the finger or hand too quickly. Toilet paper was put on this earth to clean our asses out for us. We have the power and ability to see to it that toilet paper does its job.

I have been in situations while using public toilets where I had to fold the toilet paper (especially when not much paper is left on the roll after the last guy used it). It does not bother me to ask the guy in the next stall for some toilet paper either. Most guys (including myself) would be happy to help someone else out in that particular situation. I have past toilet paper under the stall before and receive wads for my own ass. I am not shy and why should anyone be, we all use toilet paper!

I was brought up in an enviroment where guys were always around while they or I was taking a shit. It doesn't bother me one bit to wipe my ass while someone else is watching. I've chatted with my buddies many times while sitting on the toilet. Usually the chat still continues while I wipe my ass. As long as they are not the toilet paper, most guys don't mind talking to friends while they are using the toilet....lol. Only if theirs or my shit stink too bad do we exit the bathroom, and at times that is the case.

Scruncher and refolder. I use as much space as possible.

I'm a refolder and scruntcher. It all depends on where I am. I try to fold now, and at the end I usually refold b/c I don't want to clog and overflow my own toilet, then I usually hop in the shower. In public- I'll use as much as I need pleassrablly (sp?)

I only refold after the majority of the clean up is done. The last few passes can be carried out with little danger of finger-fecal contact.

I'm not a consistent re-folder but if conditions permit, I will refold. It all depends on the size of the job to be done and the consistency of the poop. If there is mass quantities of mess to clean or it is quasi-diarrhea/diarrhea then on the first pass I usually won't refold. As the poop clean-up comes to a conclusion I will refold accordingly until the job is complete.

Refolding techniques should be taught at a very young age...and taught properly.
First of all....Wiping our asses with paper is retared to begin with....cutting down trees to wipe your ass? Not to mention that shitting in our water supply leads to very strange questions regarding the actual intelligence of the human race.
Since most of us are confined to wiping with paper, we best use that stuff wisely. Now I understand the comments about the first wipe..and that is acceptable on most occasion ( unless the " Clean Shit" is acheived), so its usually ok to Not Refold on th First Wipe...
On repeat wipes, you should condition yourself to refold regularly..its very easy, clean, and effective.
Think of all the dumps taken everyday around the whole world, and all the TP flushed in our water supply. ...thats a lot of shit@#$@%!!

To those of you who Rewipe.....thank you and spread the word!!!
If your shit is really messy and you know it...just go in the shower and clean yourself properly and save yourself the grief....otherwise , learn how to re-wipe and teach your kids....

You scrunching people need to consider our poor trees that are dying because you guys/gals only get 1 pass per I'd say 7-8 poop tickets.

Actually, when I do the scrunch AND fold thing I can get poop on every bit of the wad before I toss it in the crapper. That saves plenty of trees.

Wolfman, when we flush the crapper, it goes in the sewer, and to the sewer plant. There, it is split into river grade water, and fertiizer for farming.

Also, about trees, would you rather use an Owl on your ass? Hygene is important, and not every person can shower after shittion. Paper is good because it can quickly remove crap and be disposed of.

Slim Jim,,,,Thanx for the explanation....i appreciate the info..
However...although i agree that hygiene is important ..maybe too much emphasis is put on cleaning..(overuse of cleaning products and soap..3 showers a day...) but thats another topic.
All I'm sayin is, paper and the use of it to wipe our butts, is only 1 option to a clean shittion...why havent we adapted to cleaning our asses with water ? We dump in it water to begin with...we might as well get a good cleaning from it to while we're at it. You know, Bidet style...every dump is a clean one...How about a slight cultural change ...it just hs to be encouraged and announced to the public...like microwaves and dvd players... it doesnt take long for a society to adapt to new devices. No more toilet paper means a hell of a lot less waste in the sewer, and I'm sure there is no shortage of sewage in the world....

i don't really fold or scruntch, i kind of wind the tp around my hand a few times.

oops, wrong post...sorry guys...

first off trees are a renewable resource
i live in the pacific northwest in a small community that get most of it income from logging trees and a good majority of the income that isnt derectly from logging comes from the papper mill nearby where they make quilted northern TP so speakin on behalf of all loggers and TP makers here in my comunity and all the other communities soported by the logging and paper industies PLEASE DONT REFOLD are future lies in your hand evrytime you wipe your ass
Slim Jim Junkie to answer your ? bout wiping with an owl...the spotted owl is killing my peoples future and most of us would jump at the chance to wipe are asses with an owl
one last thing all you damm city slickers and tree huggers that think were gonna run outa trees get out of the city and come see for yourself that aint gonna happen

EARTH FIRST WE'LL LOG THE OTHER PLANETS LATER

1who's got some serious redneck issues to deal with. Being for a country whose primary income is logging and being a Forestry employee myself...I can safely say the comments from 1Who are those of a typical Hick who doesn't understand life beyond his immediate surroundings...so please disregard his sad irrelevent post. We've all seen this type of moron before.
We obviously don't have as many trees as we think, logging at an accelerated rate eliminates our forest faster it takes to wipe your ass.
I am sure the poor northwest loggers wont lose their jobs if you use ur TP more wisely.
Sad sad man.

This collection of websites is so cool. It’s good as light relief (pardon the pun) to talk sometimes about a matter (another pun) which many think is a tabu subject.

On the subject of ecology, economising on toilet paper can be false economy. Somebody said it can take a long while to get your hands clean, with the waste of hot water, soap, etc. I teach my children to be responsible on the environment, and not wasteful, but they can use as much toilet paper as they need. The toilet paper we buy is recycled.

Being watched by a guy once while I sat on a chemical toilet in a British youth hostel when I was 18, that was a bit embarrassing. Yes, he heard the thuds (thurds?) as they dropped down into the glorified bucket with a lid with a whole in the middle. Yes, he watched me wipe my bum, but there was no crude sort of conversation - he was talking to me about other things he had been doing during the day. It was all very matter-of-fact, and I just got on with it.

I have watched a close friend doing his wiping, and he has watched me. I wiped my own little brother’s butt every morning, and he learned how to wipe his own by watching me. As we got older, we saw no reason not to be in the bathroom together when we got ready for school in the mornings. This is probably one of the reasons why we have such a good sibling relationship even to this day (just as that close friend is still my best male friend).

If I wasn’t away to do with my work, I always insisted to my wife that it was my job to do the toilet training of our boys. The older one learned by watching me, and he has shared with me in training the younger one. He was happy to learn, as I had learned as a child, the skill of taking his little brother to the toilet - holding his hand while he squeezed, smiling with him when splashes were heard in the water, and wiping his bottom for him, and then helping him to wipe his own.

They actually enjoy wiping (they love the whole operation every morning, like their dad does). They never have stomach upsets or irregularities.

Intimate moments like this, and sometimes showering together, can help families to bond.

Refolding TP is great way to make rolls of tp last a long time. Living with 5 roommates we do a far share of shitting so TP is prized possession. Refolding is key but only when your poop is relatively clean. Dont use folding techinque when u diarahhea

wolfman sorry i forgot to point out that toilet paper you should know doesnt come from evergreen forests, huge stands of old growth forests and what not, like many seem to think large fields are planted with fast growing softwoods like cottinwoods that grow on an average of 10' a year and are ready to be harveseted in 10-15 years theese stand of trees can hardly even be considered a forest and one other thing wolfman us hicks would just as well use you for TP as we do are shirt sleeves when were out in the wooods with no buttwipe we dont need your kind round here get your shit staight befor you run your mouth nothing worse then someone who talks like they know it all when in realality you just sound like an idiot

Take as much as you need, and be liberal about it. Nothing that's being shitted upon is worth much.

There are few things worse than having your finger "break on through to the other side".
I usually scrunch, though.

I agree Daphne, specially the fine grained ones yuck - everything else about having a poo is great though

Ew! The breakthrough! It's so disgusting!

I never refold. That is gross. Why reuse. when there is a perfectly good roll of tp.

Eew. If you refold can't you see brown stuff? It has a barrier of 1 poop ticket protecting it from going back where it came from. Gross. Scrunch, sit, wipe, look, throw, scrunch, sit, wipe, look, scrunch, sit, wipe, look, repeat if needed.

Wolfmann, did you know that the Japanese make a toilet rim with a remote-controlled bidet spout that drops down and then spews a stream of water on your anus? Then you can push another button and it raises itself back up out of sight... I tried it - it's really pretty cool and eliminates the need to take a shower after every shit....if I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of new Japanese houses have these things installed in them.............

I scrunch or fold, depending on my mood. I only refold when i pee after I poop.

I feel that refolding works if you have a toilet that plugs up easily or if you're running out of toilet paper.

Again, folding AND scrunching is the best technique. You use the least toilet paper and the most area without getting shit and piss on your hands.

1who...hahahahah..i read your debate...Wolfmann's got some good points. your sound like an angry american, and we all know what you're worth these days.
Although toilet paper is made to wipe shit out of your ass, there is no excuse to overuse anything! What the fuk, wiping your ass with paper and throwing if in your water supply ? I cant believe we havent come up with a better plan yet. fuking right we might as well wipe our ass straight with the water, and just avoid piling up millions of tons our your dirty asspaper you ignorant mofo. Bah...whats the point, go bomb someone you dumb #$%@.

I would never even think of a refold! Disgusting!! I use about 30% of a brand new roll for each individual whipe, and I whipe 3 times MINIMUM. I then immediately get into the shower and scrub vigorously. Even if I just got out of the shower. If shower isnt available, I hold until it is. I have used many a lunchbreak from work to quickly get home, shit, and shower. My ass is clean, at all times.

Relax chophack, it's only poop.

Daphne, I don't think I'll ever listen to the Doors without thinking of you, funny thing, this weekend I downloaded their induction to the R&R hall of fame from 1993 (along with Cream and CCR).

Chophack, you need to see a doctor about this disorder. Germophobia this severe can be treated!

Yeah, Chophack-- You may have a case of OCD, there.

No. No folding. Pull, tear, wad, wipe, drop. No, no, no folding. No. Unless..... no. No, no, no.

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I CAN'T go to work today. The voices said to stay home and clean the guns!

Does anyone get two sheets of TP then fold the two together, then re fold from then on? It's gives more thickness, but you're not really wasting paper.

I am a refolder, unless I have the very rare loose shit.
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Jammin' lo'flo's since 1977.

OK, for all scrunchers who are afraid to fold for fear of the TP tearing and the subsequent finger plunge - here's how it's done safely:

1. Grab a length of TP approx. 10 squares long and first fold this in half. Now the entire length of TP is 2 layers.
(If using 1-ply, use 20 squares, and fold in half twice to mimic the thickness of 2-ply)

2. Fold again, but this time you aren't folding in half. Instead just fold one square inwards from one end. This gives you a one square wiping area that is 4 layers deep (or 8 in the case of 1 ply) - plenty of padding for your first wipe.

3. Make your first wipe using the end that has been folded in the previous step.

4. Fold the same way as step 2 - just fold the end that you wiped with inwards by one square. Now that end is 6 layers deep with the poop folded safely inside.

5. Continue the process of wiping and folding until the entire lengh is used up.

This method should yield approx. 4 good wipes out of 10 squares. As you get better, you can increase ths to about 6 or 7 wipes if you decrease the fold size from one square to the size of 3 fingers.

This is by far the cleanest and most efficient method that exists.

Happy wiping!

Nooooo.

Sorry. Once TP has come in contact with poop, it DROPS. There will be NO bringing it back up into the light for further handling.

A thousand times: Nooooo.

I'm a folder from way back--learned it from my wife early in our marriage. I also refold. With my rather soft poop lately (drinking lots of water), my first wipe generally deposits a thickish layer of poop on the paper; however, my wiping technique restricts it to an area of maybe 1.5" square in the middle of a square 4 sheets thick. If I refold that one, the poop is now at an edge, not where I'll be putting pressure for the next pass. It usually doesn't break through. If it does, I wash my hands extra soapily. All the subsequent squares of paper are 3 sheets thick since they will be less stained than the first. I refold them too, of course. Since I normally use 10 sheets of single-ply (4 sheets for the first pass, then 3, and 3 for the last), if I didn't fold I'd use 20, so over the years I've saved considerable paper, money, and trees.

Why not refold? Like everything else, toilet paper has gone up in price, so why not conserve as much as possible?

It is extremely difficult, (but not impossible, I've found) to re-fold a cat, or scrunch it for that matter. The cat gets a little pissy about that kind of action.

I'm a solid logger, no soft serve or liquishit comes out of my ass. Most of my dumps have little in the way of cleanup so I use the following refold method.
Four sheets of 2-ply _._._._
doubled over ==
then doubled up again ////
to form a wiping pad four layers deep and one square long.
Wipe, inspect the pad, refold, wipe - repeat until clean. The average pad provides three to four good wipes. If my poop was soft this method probably wouldn't work. In a typical shitting session four to eight sheets of 2-ply refolded into multipass wipe pads are sufficient to clean my butt.