who the hell takes a laptop to a school shitter?? weird

Wow. I am quite certain that is illegal, revoking a bathroom pass. I would call up the principal and the superintendent and raise holy hell.

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Always,
Craven Morhead

Wow- as a parent I'd be really pissed off if I were to hear of this happening with my children or any children I know. Understandably, smoking in the bathroom is a concern that faculty have to address, but lingering by a stall door to be certain that a child puts down a laptop or puts away a cell phone (or whatever device isn't "approved potty entertainment") is pushing the limits of privacy and respect. The more advanced we consider our culture the closer we come to a total police state. I'm normally not one to be suspicious of Big Brother, but it's hard to ignore the ever-present watchful eye of authority in every aspect of our lives.

Toilet time is private time, are we losing this right to privacy as well?

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Rock-n-roll! Poopy-poo!

Boy, this whole thing reeks of the Catholic schools I attended many moons ago.

Oh dear. Over-zealous faculty stall stalkers. Can`t be a good idea.

Sounds very similar to the Bottom Inspectors, whose motto was:

If your bottom is pimpled
or flabby and dimpled;
if your cleft hair is not winnet free;
if inadequate wiping
has caused gusset striping;
then your bottom belongs to me,
your bottom belongs to me.

Ahem.....does that bring back memories, pd?

OOOOHHHH, (in a fitful dream state) Sister Christine, it wasn't me. I didn't poop. I didn't smell up the bathroom. No Noooo not that. I don't want to pull my pants down again. Pleeeese let me go home.

Back in the days when Coach Crap was still a pitcher with some life in my arm I would have nailed the teacher with a shit fingered fastball.Then the man in the back would have said eveyone attack and we would have had a bathroom blitz.

AC asks "Who the hell takes a laptop to a school shitter? Weird". It happens at my school all the time. First, every freshman is issued a laptop on the first day of school. It is school-owned property and we are responsible for it just like a textbook checked out to us. Secondly, our building this year is wired in such a way that we can get Internet access from anywhere. Just this morning, I was in the commons area writing a paper and the two cups of coffee I had consumed started to overcome me and I needed to go in and pee. Not about to leave my computer out on the bench to be stolen (we and a parent sign a contract agreeing that the replacement cost is around $1,000), I took it in with me and I wrote my second point while I was peeing. I don't see anything wrong with that in that I had only 45 minutes to get the assignment written and e-mailed to my teacher. Like Mindy, I was told once this year that I was spending too much time on the toilet. Our dean of women who doesn't know me by name walked through the bathroom in which I was the only user. About 10 minutes later she walked through again, this time I saw her peeking in on me and she tapped the door and asked what I was doing. I told her I had been constipated for three days and was just trying to go like my mother had taught me. I didn't have my laptop out or anything else that might be thought to be distracting. She asked my name and wrote it down. I told my mom just in case the school would call or e-mail her. Mom was surprised about the close monitoring because I'm an honor student. She told me next time to do like she does when she is overparking in a public lot. The cars are marked by stall and time. After the first check by the dean, she said I should have just moved a few stalls down or gone into another bathroom to finish up. We study privacy next year in Civics. I have some questions ready!

Ah for the good old days. When high school bathrooms were expressly for smoking, and giving geeks swirlees. 3 different kinds of swirlees were available, water, yellow, and, well, you know. Sorry, getting off point. To protect our youth from the dangers of nicotine, have we gone far enough? Is it time to remove all stall doors? Install bathroom attendants? Cameras? Perhaps a micro chip with a timer. If you have not flushed and out in a specified time, an alarm could go off. Evil tobacco must be stopped at any cost!

On the other hand... If someone was peeking in one of my kids stall... I might give them one of those special "brown" swirlees!

As I responded to this where it was first posted "If you didn't have a meeting set up with the superintendent the next day, I don't know what's wrong with you."

To play Devil's Advocate though, I have a teenage son, and he's a really good kid. Yet, he still does things that he shouldn't; and if he's accused of anything, I make sure to ascertain his innocence. Is it possible that this Mindy was smoking and her mom hasn't considered it?

Back to being impartial, if she was smoking, does this give the assistant principal the right to peek in on her?

Were I to be in a situation like this - where the faculty was this fucked concerning violations of privacy - I'd have my cell phone out and ready to aim. The very first time any teacher poked her eye in that slot, I'd take a picture of it and post in on the web or send it to the newspaper. Thank God we don't have this problem in our kids' schools.

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.....hugging bunnies since 1969
www.daphneszoo.com

Hahahahaha!
The Bottom Inspectors! Long live Viz comic!
Thank you, Thunderbox!
...and pd, remember the old Catholic/wrestling joke- the only thing that hurts more than a Full-Nelson is Bishop Nelson.

...but getting back on topic. Things must be so-o-o different in America, especially these days. My two sons have finished high-school, and are now out in the workforce, but when they were at school, no-one had lap-tops, (not even the teachers!), and as far as I know, there is still no such thing as a bathroom pass. If a student needs the bogs during class, they just let the teacher know, and off they go (usually with a cigarette in the pocket).
Pretty much the way it was in my day (all those years ago...)

Hmmmm laptop in the bathroom? That doesn't sound very sanitary to me. I mean you figure those school crappers are cleaned once in the morning and then at night unless an accident occurs. I mean really parents, is it TOTALLY necessary that someone HAS to read their email and the ONLY time they can do it is on the crapper? What she couldn't reshuffle a few meetings and reschedule a couple of presentations? It isn't like she is working for a HUGE CORPORATION and has NO TIME to herself. What are we teaching these kids? Let them be kids for crying out loud! She has NO TIME AT ALL during her day to read her emails? SHE IS A KID!
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The Thunderous Crapper 63 Enjoying home toilet advantage since 2004!

When the Principal looks through the crack again, spray some shit water out of your pisshole into his eyes.

I don't know, I mean, when I was in high school, I really didn't have any time. I was responsible for cooking the meals at home and nearly all of the household chores, I had marching band and work at an assisted living center in the neighborhood, too. Between housework, school, schoolwork, extracurriculars, and my job I was really running from one place to another--Quite literally, as I lived in a small town and had no car! The only time I really had was in the bathroom, though at the time I couldn't even dream of affording a laptop!

I'm 21 and a junior in college. Thinking back on my high school days, I did smoke and most of my friends did too, BUT we weren't dumb enough to smoke in the school restrooms. In all my k-12 years, I don't recall ever having a doored stall. ALL the stalls had just partitions but no doors. I'm sure some of it was to deter smoking but there was also the vandalism that was pretty regular. It was so bad that one spring one complete bathroom was locked by the administration the last week of school because one stool and the complete stall was fully wiped with shit. Several students must have contributed to it, but we were all punished when it was locked during the last several days of the semester.

Unfortunately, we lost what little privacy we had as a result of that incident. I was taking a shit right after 1st hour one morning and in the five minutes I was on the stool, two faculty members and one assistant principal walked through. The AP became suspicious when he walked by my stall and saw me quickly move my right hand down to my penis and I flicked it off the front of the bowl (the front often has urine on it!) and all I did was aim it into the bowl because I frequently will pee a little while I crap. He walked by me three times and studied me for about five seconds each time. When I finally wiped and went to the sink, he was waiting for me with his clipboard and he tried to get me to confess to smoking. I refused. My girlfriend, who was waiting for me outside the restroom, said one teacher peaked in on her too while she was peeing.

Although there's a little restroom vandalism at our community college, my girlfriend and I did enjoy being treated as adults and we appreciated our privacy. One of the highlights of my first week of school was being able to shit in the student union with an actual door separating me from the rest of the bathroom users. And of course, there are no administrators violating our privacy.

Why does a junior high school student need a laptop?

Anal teachers doing what they're told to do by anal adminstrators at the school level who work for anal administrators at the district office. I doubt that anything's going to change.... At our Class of '97 reunion last year, one lady at our table during a slide show that showed smoking in the restrooms, remarked that she had never used the bathroom in the four years we were at Jefferson. If she was constipated, her mom would give her a laxative the night before and excuse her from her first class or until it worked the next morning. She said she disciplined herself to sit down and fully pee before leaving home. My husband and a couple of others close by didn't seem to believe her. I had so little privacy in middle school that I wasn't expecting much more in high school. Teachers occasionally peeked into the stalls and it creeped me out!

Times are changing, and laptops are replacing notebooks. They also have ebooks on them. Now, many schools offer the ebook, available online, as a way to avoid having to buy books, thus the laptop.

Personally, I adore books, but an ebook is a book that you can't really lose. It's always out there in the intertron, the pages are never torn, and you don't have to worry about leaving it in your locker.

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.....hugging bunnies since 1969
www.daphneszoo.com

Wow. I had no idea kids were monitored this closely. Why would teachers need to "Look" to tell if kids are smoking. You can SMELL a cigarette the moment it is lit. I suppose that if she had a laptop out, the teacher might think that she didn't really need to use the toilet, and was just screwing around on her computer, so the teacher requested that she put it away and either shit or get off the pot. Still, peeking in on people seems extreme, and her teacher in class will know if she's gone too long. She doesn't need to be monitored.

It's been 2 years since I graduated from high school and now from the perspective of a college student, it's amazing I survived. Three of the four years, I had a first-hour study hall. A real joke that never made sense to me because I hadn't been to any classes yet to get any assignments. It was 47 minutes of wasted time. After being told by the supervisor to get my feet down off a cafeteria chair the first day, I decided to take the novel I was reading to the bathroom. Most every day I would sign out to the bathroom, go into the best lit stall, pull down my jeans and panties and sit and read until my daily crap was ready to come. After about a half hour, it was a double feeling of accomplishment to flush a bowl full of crap and to know that I had also read a couple of chapters. One day--about a month into the school year--I had a student teacher look in on me and ask if I was OK. I opened the door for her and she could see that I wasn't doing anything illegal, just sitting and reading. She said it was inappropriate to be reading in a stall. Without being snotty I told her that study hall sucked and I was so bored that otherwise I would likely be adding to the graffiti on the inside door and stall panels. She laughed, said it made sense, and noted that I didn't have any toilet paper on my roll. She went next door and pulled some off for me. Regretfully, she wasn't hired; she would have been a great teacher because she was genuinely interested in me and not on some righteous power trip.

The geniuses at my school had a different way of handling smoking in the bathroom. There were these three bitchy teacher's aides that would storm into the girls' bathroom at random and violently kick the stall doors in. I often wondered how many girls were actually injured by these moronic bimbos, or how many locks the already over-taxed school budget had to pay for.

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Born right the first time.

Here is an old toilet ditty modified to fit the modern world:

Here I sit all broken hearted, tried to download but only farted.

I don't discount the frustrations of the ladies who have posted about school teachers and administrators sneaking a peak or two from their privacy while they are on the toilet. However, both of my sons--ages 12 and 15--continually complain about the open stalls at both our middle and high schools. They sit wide open to the often cruel scrutiny of their peers and, during passing periods, faculty members and occasionally, administrators, are assigned to walk through and check up on them. I understand that some smoking and infrequently activity between gay students may make the walk-throughs a deterrant of sorts, but my youngest is so embarrassed when his science teacher, whom he really respects, sees him with his pants down and crapping. Often, this is just before second hour when he has this man for class. My son says a couple of the teachers are rude telling a student exiting a stall "I better not find any unflushed shit....!" or "...., what if your sister was the next to use that toilet?" when a student is seen peeing over the seat. Judging from what my sons tell me, they have it double bad and I don't see any indication that's it's going to get any better.

Here I sit, heart is broken
Teacher spied, caught me smokin'.

It seems like the school is determined to make IBS sufferers out of school kids. To me, it sounds like the teacher took her frustration for not catching the smoker out on the next best kid-the one really needing to take a poop. I think I would inquire into the written bathroom policy of a school before registering my child. I certainly would be in the principal's office the next morning complaining if my child came home and reported being harassed by a faculty member or a student on the toilet.

I'm both a parent and educator. I teach language arts in a 2,400 student high school. About a third of the 200-some teachers on our faculty are assigned to restroom duty which means walking through bathroom nearest their classroom during passing periods or once during their open hour. The administration wants us to check each stall, although some of my colleagues refuse to look in occupied stalls because of privacy concerns, and of course the sinks and general upkeep of the room. We then e-mail the maintenance office information on toilet paper needs, paper towels needed, and plumbing concerns such as stopped-up sinks and toilets. A perennial problem is that students will open windows even in winter months to quickly get rid of smoke.

Contrary to some of the other postings, there are advantages to peeking into every stall. When students aren't feeling well, they tend to go into a stall. In my 5 years on the faculty, I have found two students passed out on the stool; one was just coming out of a seizure and the other fainted while having severe diarrhea. And there have also been a few who have sat down and fallen asleep on the stool.

Perhaps the most common dialogue I have with the students daily is the importance of hurrying up and getting back to class. Too many--especially the lower-end students and the truants--see the bathrooms as a place for hanging out and avoiding responsibility.

I find myself uneased by the multitude of catholic schoolboy references.

Uneased, nay, unseated._______

whats that smell?

Back in high school (for me this was the mid-1980s), smoking in the bathroom was for losers who couldn't figure out a better place to smoke anything: cigarets, marijuana, freebase cocaine, whatever. The vast majority of the student body went to the can to be rid of poop or pee and that was it. Never did I see groups of guys just hanging out in the bathroom smoking. The dean of men was an overweight, elderly chain smoker of Camel straights and could not be bothered to police the shitters on campus. Our toilet stalls had doors on them in front that actually had working, function locks.

It seems predictable and sad that in this age of paranoia and fear, we are treating our children like terrorists for dropping logs (the poop variety or weblogs). If I were the parent of the snooped-and-pooped teen, I would either contact an attorney or confront the school administrator face-to-face : "What the hell gives you the right to watch my daughter/son takin' a shit?!?"

Time to fight for your right to poop without fear of consequences! Pooping is an all-American activity (sing the national anthem while sitting on the can enjoying your Good Morning Poop) that needs to be protected explicitly by our Constitution. Write your congressman today!
----Captain Craptastic!!!

Lauren says nice things about concern and makes good points. However, I still think peeking should be the second option. If a child has passed out or fallen asleep or the stall has been occupied for some time, knocking on the door and asking them to reply should be your first action, not peeking in on them. You can check on someone without violating their privacy. If they don't answer, then you could peek.

Lauren sounds like a good faculty member, though. It's nice that concern hasn't fallen by the wayside in the place of control.

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.....hugging bunnies since 1969
www.daphneszoo.com

I agree with Frustrated Dad. It is very insensitive to have a 12-year-old boy crapping without a door in front of not only his peers but his favorite teacher. My son's 11 and he was in tears earlier this year when he learned that the 6th grade bathrooms are all open stall. He had a teacher remark on how there would be a shortage of toilet paper for the rest of the day because he was putting a liner over the seat and the front of the bowl when the teacher walked through. Such sarcastic comments should NEVER be made to a student. Both his father and I suggested he do it because he was complaining about the seats often being wet from urine because some of the boys are too impatient to wait for a urinal to open. My husband and I know that teacher's name and we will make sure that if our son is scheduled for one of that teacher's classes next year that he be assigned another teacher. We will go to the administration, if necessary to achieve that. After 7 months, he still is very bashful about crapping in the open stalls. Both his father and I believe administrators need to do some serious re-thinking about their policies and operations.

I agree with Civil Libertari: we don't have a lot of privacy in my school's bathrooms. And also, the bathroom's themselves suck, but that's because so many students are immature and just don't care about pitching in and keeping them nice. It sucks worse for the younger students because for me, as a senior, I have open campus and I have not used a school bathroom once this year. I usually have my morning shit at Starbucks across the street about 20 minutes after my friends and I get our coffee. Since we go out to lunch, my noon pee is at Pizza Hut or Burger King. Then after school, just before softball practice, I walk across the street to the Shell station to pee. My boyfriend, who is a junior, has less freedom and he says faculty members regularly peek in on him when he's crapping. All the guys' bathrooms are with doorless stalls. He says he doesn't acknowledge the teacher, but he just sits and shits and looks forward. Once he said a math teacher looked in on him right after he had sat down and he was using his right hand to remove his penis from the front of the bowl and point it into the stool. The teacher seemed startled and probably thought he was masturbating. But he has open campus to look forward to next year!

Lauren, I wish there were more teachers like you in the current school system. It sounds like you try to respect both students' safety and privacy, and I wish there were more like you out there.

Daphne has a good point, too. I wish there were more teachers who would give the students enough trust and respect to actually knock on the door and wait for an answer. Most junior and senior high school students are mature and intelligent enough to answer, and if not, they are probably in trouble (much in some of the ways Lauren described).

I think that's a big problem with secondary schools in particular today. Most faculty members (and I am not talking about you, Lauren) still treat a fifteen-year-old like he's in kindergarten. Worse, a teacher/staff member just simply assumes everyone is up to no good. Knowing many teenagers, including myself, the thought that a teacher suspects you makes you simply say, "Why bother. They think I'm a criminal anyway."

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Born right the first time.

In my school, several of the stalkers are teachers who come in during passing periods and who are in a hurry to use the bathroom. They apparently don't have the initiative to walk down to the middle of the building where they have a multi-stall bathroom and lounge. Instead, I'm wiping after my crap (why do my messiest ones always come at school where we have the dirtiest toilets and the cheapest toilet paper!) when I see in the doorway crack the unmistakenly recognizeable face of my world history teacher whose standing there and every 10 or 15 seconds tryng to (and I swear this is true!) intimidate me into hurrying up. Full bowl, full wipe--give me a break! There are like 8 other stalls so I don't know why she selects mine. Stalking me with the evil eye isn't going to force me to get done any faster. My best friend says I shouldn't let Miss B intimidate me or bully me. I can't help it, though. She brags about being the oldest and longest-serving teacher and she's mean!

I can't get over the idea of no doors on the stalls! The one and only place I ever saw that was at the local municipal swimming pool (1970s), which has since been bulldozed, probably for not having doors on the stalls...

No doors on the stalls is why I never, in my entire school career, shit at school. Everybody needs some privacy, and peeking in through stall doors violates that. I'm sure in many teacher's lounges, there are teachers who spend more time on the crapper than they should, also.

I too went all the way k through 12 without taking a dump at school and I was typical. Says a lot about our culture, don't you think?

Stalked, I wonder what that teacher would do if you vocally addressed her actions every time she did this peeking. "Hey Ms. So and So, why do you always watch me wipe my butt?"

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.....hugging bunnies since 1969
www.daphneszoo.com

Daphne, why be vocal when visual is much better. I would just turn around, bend over and give her some "hands-on" wiping lessons.

Back when we were freshmen in high school, me and my friend Rachel both needed to pee between classes. Like I was going to burst. There must have been about 20 stalls, each was occupied and there were a few girls waiting for the next opening. I glanced under one of the stall doors and saw a really nice set of boots and leather slacks and Rachel dared me to go up to the door and peek in to see who it was. It was our science teacher. She had her makeup out and was combing her hair as she was peeing away. When I motioned for Rachel to come up and see, she laughed and claimed this was the loudest pee flow she had ever heard. Rachel also noticed that our teacher was sitting on toilet paper, something most of us students never do. When a couple of stalls opened down the line, we took them and luckily we were able to get done before the tardy bell rang. I told Rachel later that day that I don't think teachers should be taking up valuable space in student bathrooms. Aren't the teacher toilets good enough for them?

Good information, Sarah. That would so piss me off. Standing in line with my classmates, ready to burst my bladder or explode my anus and having teachers tying up the stalls. Also, since the anal science teacher wasted toilet paper to line the seat with, how many students later in the day didn't have the necessary paper to wipe with? That so sucks. Twice during my high school year I crapped my pants while waiting for a stall to open. Once in middle school, I peed my pants again in front of at least two dozen girls in the bathroom because I didn't initially run fast enough and cut in line immediately after the passing period bell rang. Each time I came home early to change my mom lectured me about planning ahead when using public restrooms. I'm three years out of high school, in college with good career possibilities, and I certainly don't miss the public school bathrooms. College students are much more mature and respectful. In the past three years, I don't recall seeing a set of eyeballs stalking my stall. And I haven't had any more accidents.

While I sympathize with you, Sarah, I sure don't see it as something that would happen in the boys bathrooms. Even the most wretched, fat and feces frustrated of the elderly faculty would not select the open stall and pee-laden toilet seats of the student bathroom over the reserved and upscale facilities of the faculty lounge. Why the women described by Sarah would want to use a student bathroom is beyond me. It's like the guest in a five-star hotel bypassing the pristine facilities there for time on the sticky seat of a smelly port-a-potty!

I'm in school activities and on many days I'm on campus from 6:45 a.m. (junior class board meeting) to 9 or 10 p.m. (cheerleading practice, drama and student publications). I've been stalked twice in the past month not by faculty members, but rather their young kids. Several teachers pick up their kids at day care after school and then return to their classrooms to do additional work. What that means is these children--some as young as 4 or 5--are chasing one another and snooping around the building. This past Tuesday evening a handful of us were building the drama set and at about 8 p.m. I went in to pee. Since no one else was around, I didn't bother to latch the stall door but hurriedly sat down to get rid of a full bladder I had been holding for some time. From out of nowhere, a little girl came running into the restroom at full speed, ran into a stall, slammed the door so hard all the partitions shook and then her younger brother came in looking for her. I think she stood up on a toilet to deceive him, but he ran into each of the 8 stalls, threw the door open and was looking for her. I had forgotten to latch the door and he came running in, threw it open on me, hitting my knee, and then had the audacity to come fully into the stall, look me over in my compromising position, and even glance around the back of the stool. I quickly stood up to push him out, but in doing so peed onto the seat and into my shorts. Earlier this month, on a day in which we didn't have school, I was taking a crap and noticed over a period of 5 to 10 minutes eyeballs looking in on me from both sides of the door, and then occasional laughter. When she saw me get up to wipe, she quickly ran into another stall and locked the door. I guess I never believed that stalkers could be that young!

PD, you brought back memories of one of my elementary school incidents where I mooned a girl under the stall door because she kept harassing me. I think your method is better than anyone else's here to stop stall-stalking teachers. Just give them a reason not to look. Perhaps your close-up wiping idea, or maybe a hover shit after cafeteria chow. That should discourage anymore peeking... Unless of course your teacher is a pedophile.

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Born right the first time.

In a few more years they won't need to have teachers check on students. When the smoke detector in the stall goes off it'll activate a scanner that will read the rfid tag that's implanted in your child when you register them for school.

Judging from many of the postings above, what could probably now be considered a slam against a stalking teacher supervisor wasn't intended. In 8th grade, I was on a laxative and the bus got me to school too late that morning to have my bowel movement. Out of a fear for a tardy and the required detention time, I reported to homeroom and when the bell rang after 15 minutes, I was sweating and knew I had less than a minute to get on the toilet or I was going to burst.

I left my book bag in the classroom and ran about three rooms down to the bathroom. Upon clearing the door I found it was my lucky day because 5 of the 6 stalls were occupied and I ran for the lst one, already pulling up my dress and dropping my panties before I had even latched the door. Because it was the end stall, the ceiling lighting was subdued compared to the other stalls, but I quickly noted the seat was up and I flung it down and my butt made the first contact with it before it actually reached the bowl. At first I passed a lot of gas and then three days of stool exploded out of me.

Just as I was feeling my first relief in more than 45 minutes, I reached for the toilet paper and found both containers to be completely out. Knowing that I had a full bowl and a hefty mess on my bottom, I looked forward and started to think of my options. Just then, the one-minute tardy bell rang and my Spanish teacher peeked in on me and then pounded on the door and told me it was time for class. I meekly told her I was out of toilet paper and she came back about 5 seconds later with a hand full and asked if that was enough. I told her I was on a laxative and that it should probably be doubled. When I opened the door a second time, she had more than enough for me to use.

I was probably about 10 minutes late to her class that hour, but she gave me a break and didn't turn my tardy into the office. She said she understood my "circumstances". Why she looked into the stalls and continually tried to hurry the girls up I don't know, but on that day I was a beneficiary.

I'm a college senior and currently doing my practice teaching in a large high school. Since I come from a small town, there have been a lot of things to adjust to, but I would like to amplify Felicia's posting. I work as late as 6 or 7 p.m. most evenings and occasionally come in on Sundays. Young children of faculty working in the building are a problem when they are unsupervised. Sure the building is relatively secure and they love the explore the various nooks and crannies BUT they need to be supervised. Two weekends ago my boyfriend came into town to spend the weekend with me and he put in a couple of hours Sunday morning in my classroom. While he was in the boys room taking a crap in an open stall, two young girls about 4 or 5 walked in on him. As you can imagine, it was an embarrassing situation for all parties involved! Later their mom, who is one of our Language Arts teachers, sent me an e-mail of apology. Her explanation was that it was her weekend to have the girls and she didn't have anyone to watch them while she worked at school. Felicia's right--stalkers come in all shapes, sizes and ages.

Two 4 or 5 year old girls wandering through a large school on an off day hardly can be called "stalkers". The term implies intent, and obviously they had none. College senior, huh? And teacher to boot? Now I am truly frightened.

Watch it, Richelle. "Since the anal science teacher wasted paper to line the seat with, how many students later in the day didn't have the necessary paper to wipe with?" I've been placing toilet paper between myself and the seats since I started middle school. Several of my friends do also. It's just what our mothers taught us since so many of the seats are wet due to the hoverers who apparently want and have no aim. We shouldn't be labeled as "anal", rather we're just a little cleaner about ourselves. At my school, faculty peek in on me at least once or twice a week. It sucks because it invades our privacy. It would be better if they went through the bathrooms during class periods when they a almost always vacant rather than passing periods. Then they could report the stalls needing toilet paper, clogged toilets, etc. Seeing eyeballs in a door crack isn't going to improve our bathrooms one bit.

*Everyone used the Stall with a Door*
In my high school, the main men's room had about 8 stalls, 1 handicrapper - the only one with a door. And can you guess? Every guy who needed number 2 used that end handicrapper, unless they were in some dire straits. The rest were usually pristine. You'd even get 1 or 2 people waiting in line for the doored stall. Now, heap on to this that I was a bashful bladder, unable to use the urinals.

*Closing the Upstairs On a Whim*
In a upstairs addition, a small mens room was added, with 1 stall and 1 handicrapper, plus 2 urinals. Both stalls did have doors though. But, every year, it was inevitable and just a matter of time, some issue would come up and they'd close that men's room for the rest of the year, period. Now, most of my classes were in this corner of the building, and with 3 minutes between class, you can't navigate the stairs swim upstream through 1000 people and even make it to the main men's room let alone do anything worth while. Not quite related, but another school bathroom rant. So before school, during lunch, and after school were your only guaranteed times, the rest was luck.

Oh, but one year the plumbing of the urinals was broken in the upstairs (I walked in on it, tried jiggling the handle, it was well and truly screwed, and not vandalism, just typical toilet maintenance - I had that sinking feeling, sure enough next day - closed for the year) and they closed it immediately. But...

*Piled High to the Brim with that Goodness*
When we had gym class, we could use the stalls in the locker room. And every day *every day*, you looked in and the toilet was piled high to the brim with a mix of brown and toilet paper, sometimes even over the rim, you'd have to hover. Now, seriously, no plungering from a jackhammer would make this mess go down. I always imagined the janitor wheeling in a wheelbarrow and start shoveling. But did the irresponsible football jocks (and I stress *irresponsible*, a lot of the guys on the football team were cool) who couldn't pull the handle ever get any grief? Hell, we walked into the locker room to prep for gym one day and there was a smelly, off-yellow puddle 5 foot in diameter right in the middle of the locker room. When the coach came in? "Guys, try to keep it in the toilet" Though it wasn't even us, but he didn't care!

Some really messed up crap in the school bathrooms to say the least.

Sophomore writes: "It would be better if they went through the bathroom during class periods when they were almost always vacant rather than passing periods. Then they could report the stalls needing toilet paper, clogged toilets, etc." I fully agree. For us guys who have to sit daily, with our pants down, crappin' without doors on the stalls, and then to be eyeballed by teachers, and in some cases, substitute teachers, ... well our self-esteem and privacy is pretty low. Otherwise, I have to believe the motive for the lack of privacy is not the "keep the bathrooms clean, maintain security, and enforce smoking rules" that our student handbook states.

I'm 14 and I guess just an average pee'r and crapper who often has to wait for a stall to open at my school. Some students are just inconsiderate of others. Like with Sarah, that teacher taking a student stall to pee and comb her hair would piss me off too. And who who does she think she is, taking the time and wasting the toilet paper to put between her and the seat! Does she think her butt is more important than ours? My friend Angie said we should "stalk" teachers until they decide to move back into their own bathroom. I think it's a great idea!

The school where I teach is small and does not have separate faculty bathrooms. I use the one with high school and middle school boys, right down from my classroom. I always--yes, always--check on the stalls, both of which now have doors, recently installed. During the time between classes, these stalls are exclusively pee-stops; the only time the boys poop is during class, which requires a hall pass with "restroom" checked on it. I do not know that the person requesting the pass has to poop, but often the time gone makes it seem likely. During my planning periods I always take time to inspect. I have never found anyone actually seated on the toilet, but I have from time to time found evidence: lots of pee, including on the seat (I clean it off); occasionally poop left unflushed or left after a flush. I generally flush that down, too, unless the clog looks difficult. The latest thing in that bathroom is that someone is kicking loose floor tiles and setting them at cunning places. I know the floor needs work, but . . .

I agree with Average Pee'r & Crapper. At my high school, which is one of the largest in our state, there are more teachers, custodians and other adults using the student bathrooms. Last week, 2 of 5 stalls were taken by teachers. You can single them out because they spend a lot longer in the stall, and like Average Pee'r & Crapper said, they carefully take toilet paper off the roll and ever-so-carefully place it over the seat because they are afraid to sit directly on the toilets we sit down on several times a day--when they are not being tied up by teachers who should walk upstairs and use their own. Friday afternoon I tried twice during our 5 minute class breaks to get a stall and each time I had to give up. After school I was the next in line and wandering what teacher was on the stool because there was a hand-held computer and cell phone on the floor. Finally, the door opens and it's a UPS driver. Adults using student bathrooms needs to stop, otherwise I think we should start "looking in" on them like they do us.

Sorry, but I won't be able to help you, Carly. In my school the boys rooms have no stall doors so there aren't going to be many teachers or drivers crapping. I've seen only one adult crapping this year...I think it was a substitute because he seemed so surprised when me and three of my friends walked in and caught him with his polka dot boxers and trousers on the floor and his johnson hanging on the front of the stool. And, Carly, he wasn't sitting on any toilet paper so he must have thought he was one of us. LOL!

Which is worse, smoking in the crapper or crapping in the smoking room?

Back in the days when I attended high school there were no laptops and I got kicked out for smoking but did OK anyway.
Oh..by the way,,
would you like fries with that?

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Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

What's with the teachers? As I read the postings I find several instances where teachers are not only using our bathrooms, but they apparently feel they are superior to us and for whatever reason, they put toilet paper over the seat first. This is asinine. If we don't care that several of our butts share the same toilet seat any given day, why should they? What does that say about their perception of the hygiene of the student body? Are we truly purveyors of filth who will infect the elite and intelligensia in our quest for ultimate power? I do hope they wash their hands because they do not know what surprises may lurk!

Jerrilee asks if the teachers who use the student bathrooms feel superior to the student users by putting toilet tissues over the seat before sitting down. If the students, she asks, don't care about sharing toilet seats, why should the faculty and adults? I'm 33 and I feel that as I've gotten older I've become more health conscious. I put tissues over seats at any public place and have for about 15 years. It's just common sense protection. It's no slam on the occupant who preceded me because, chances are, she did too. When there's not three strips of toilet paper on the roll, I select another stall.

I'm finishing my 14th year as a Family & Consumer Science Teacher in a large high school. I agree with Shari and disagree with Jerrilee. I use the faculty bathroom at lunchtime, but before school, between class periods, and when working after school I use the 10-stall student bathroom directly across the hall.

While I don't "stalk" students, I do walk-thrus sometimes during class breaks and occasionally during class that generally take 3 minutes or less. I check each unoccupied stall for things such as pop cans in the bowl or crap on the seat (one of the biggest problems this past year!) and to make sure it has a toilet paper roll (vandalism remains a big problem--fists are used to break them off!). Then I e-mail any needs to the maintenance office. I quit reporting urine on seats in September because I would be e-mailing after each inspection and I know it will dry off.

Many unknowing students are naive enough to sit down directly on the seat as was I initially before I was assigned to do the patrols. Now I'd have a difficult time getting my pee flow going knowing that my left butt is sitting where just two periods ago a 3-inch log laid.

I've just started high school and I'm involved in several clubs and sports. I agree with Jerrilee that it sucks for teachers to not only use our bathrooms and make the lines longer, but taking valuable toilet paper to waste on covering the seat is even worse. I know some adults do it (even my mom) but I think it's dumb. And although Jerrilee uses some big words I don't understand, I agree with what she says. In fact, since my language class is right across from the faculty lounge, if I were to have an "emergency", what would the teachers say if I were to tie up their bathroom? Actually ... it's a great idea!

The problem being discussed on this thread is HUGE especially for the boys. I have a daughter 17 and sons 13 & 15 in high school this year. Our school had an open house for parents the Tuesday after Labor Day. I met more than 16 teachers by walking my childrens' daily class schedules, and on the advice of my wife who had to stay at work, I went into one of the bathrooms. It was clean and each of the urinals and toilets had been cleaned and had a blue disinfectant in the bowl. Two days later on Thursday my youngest was not is at the pickup point after school. His brother went in looking for him and he came back within a couple of minutes saying he found him and that he's taking a dump. While we're waiting he goes on to tell me the bathroom is gross and that he'd rather crap his pants than crap in a place like that. That got me curious. I went in and it was a different room than I had seen two days earlier. Eleven doorless stalls; only the handicapped one had a door. My Lucas and one other boy were sitting on toilets and had a small amount of water under their feet, apparently from overflows. Seven of the toilets had crap piled so high you couldn't see evidence of any water in the bowl. I noticed Lucas didn't have any toilet paper on the roll in his stall so I handed him some from what little remained a couple of stalls away. As he was getting up, I noticed that his bowl too was clogged. In looking over the sinks, I told him it would be futile to try and wash his hands. As a parent and taxpayer, I feel I've been deceived. I would think any faculty or custodial supervision would be of assistance in cases like this. I highly recommend it! In discussing it at home, my daughter, who is in her seventh semester at the school, said she has avoided ever using one of the bathrooms and that she plans to continue that in her senior year. While actual classroom learning is the priority, I'm cynical enough to know that little will likely be done to the bathrooms until there's a rubric developed and a No Child Left Behind test and performance report due.

I work in a high school as a para-professional with the title of Hall Monitor. I have seven years experience in my high school which has a student population of 2,600. What Civil Libertari and many of the others posting need to know is that restroom checks, usually once an hour, are essential and often required.

Much of the time that means walking through a designated restroom and momentarily peeking in on each user. Anything out of the ordinary such as a student sitting there with her pants up might generate a quick question from me as to what she is doing (talking to her boyfriend from another school on her cell phone that she knows will be taken away if used in the classroom or hallway during school hours) or, as often is the case, just ditching class because it's "boring". I then escort her back to her classroom and write a note to her teacher about what I found. On occasion, I've come across a student in a stall and actually fully crapping on the floor (for her own "amusement" is what she told the dean of girls) as well as a dropout with her lighter out burning holes on the white toilet seat and the partition.

I will also stop a student from coming out of a stall if I haven't heard a flush. You'd be surprised the "attitude" shown by some of the students to do something so simple and logical as pushing down on a lever.

Also, my seven colleagues and myself have found that the restroom checks have helped us identify sick and injured students. One senior with a heart mmurmur momentarily had passed out while straining to crap. Two others were on their knees, puking into the toilet, when they fainted. I've escorted numerous others, who are sitting in pain and due to issues such as cramping, need the attention of the nurse.

Specific to the issue addressed by Civil Libertari: privacy is recognized, but it needs to be balanced with other interests, too.

Can there be any place that requires privacy more than a bathroom stall? This is one place in which nobody should be sticking their nose when I am the occupant! (for more their own safety if nothing else)

A student who has fainted or who is vomiting can be detected with a quick glance under the stall. There is absolutely no need to peek through the door! Hell, why not just take the damn doors off! Better yet, install cameras in each stall and put the monitors in the hallway ala Departure and Arrival screens at the airport!

If you are making the poop face while dropping the kids off at the pool, or engaging in personal or feminine hygiene activities, do you want an audience? Does a high school student deserve that dignity any less than you do?

Note: As for laptops in the john, I used to do this all the time. If a book is ok, why not surf the web? You could be making poop while giving us all a play-by-play!

That was bad poor baby..

Whenever there's a major vandalism case such as the fire set in a stall last month that was so bad the the fire alarm activated and the trucks were called and we got out of school 45 minutes early, the principals go all out to catch those responsible. In the case last month, I had used that stall about 15 minutes before and the hallway camera showed me entering the bathroom and exiting like 8 minutes later after I crapped. I was called into the office two days later, not accused, but questioned on whether anyone else was hanging out in there and the condition of that stall.

My mom was irate when I told her, but she's known that I try to avoid the school toilets because of the vandalism and because they are so dirty. Like my butt sometimes like sticks to the seat when I stand up to wipe.

I agree with Civil Libertari. It seems like the rights of the caring and non trouble-causing students are being "vandalized".

That a way, Valeri. Feel free to ask the faculty member that peeps in on you to come back with a crowbar to extracate your ass from the dirty seat. If they are so interested in what's going on in the stalls, demand that they make themselves useful!

As a high school teacher, I use the restroom at least once a day, usually more; it is the same one the students use. I always check the toilets to see that everything is OK. Yesterday someone left a foundling: truly a huge bowel movement, several pieces, thick, hard, lumpy. My guess is that he left it unflushed for fear of a clog; however, not seeing any single turd that would not go down, I flushed it successfully. Now if someone else had come in and done a like monster on top of that one, the toilet might well have clogged, which is why I flush left-over b.m.'s when I find them. This was only the second such incident so far this school year.

I crap three times a week, at least, at school. There are no doors on the stalls. Since I get a pass from class and avoid going during a passing period for privacy reasons, I don't expect as much "attention" but yesterday during my regular time on the toilet, three faculty members walked through. One looked at his watch and said "You don't want to miss too much class." I keep my underwear halfway up my thighs when I sit, but I still don't feel that confident about teachers looking in on me. I'm just doing what is a natural need, but in an unnatural 3/4 of a stall.

Well, Val, the shorter your sit, the less the stick.

This is kinda OT, but the toilets in one particular building at my university........are really annoying, because they flush constantly! Such a waste of water.......and sometimes if I'm peeing or pooping.........SPLASH! That just sucks......

I can't ever recall being spied on by teachers while on the pot.....though in 9th grade someone did question me when I exited the loo, since it had smelled very strongly of cigarettes. Smoking in the loo was also a problem at my high school.

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We three shits of Mathematica are. Laughing on the toilet, har, har!

I'm starting my 6th week in college and using the toilets there is wonderful. It's a totally different culture of respect and responsibility. First, there's no smoking in the bathrooms or buildings. No one even tries to violate it. Second, the seats and bowls are much cleaner, so much so that I've started sitting right down on the seat without paper beneath me. The bathrooms are always well stocked with toilet paper, soap and I'm impressed that the plumbing works very well in servicing toilets and sinks that are used almost on a 24/7 basis.

Overall there's a whole different level of maturity and respect. My worst moment of high school came three years ago when I was crapping and saw the head of teacher lurking over the stall panel on my right. An assistant principal or associate to our assistant principal/dean of women would stand up on the toilet and look over the stalls to identify students who were deliberately messing up the stalls, smoking or skipping classes.

Sure, she caught some but the fact that I was being watched in that manner really creeped me out.

Any bathroom today is better than the faculty-stalked toilets of the junior high and senior high I attended. I don't understand what the ladies such as Priya have to gripe about; three or four days a week I shat in doorless stalls in middle school and high school. Not only other students but also my teachers and regularly administrators would walk thru, glance in and see me dropping my load. By the time I got into high school I gave up on trying to point/hold my dick from the front of the toilet bowl and into the bowl because I was being hassled about masturbating one day, although I had both hands on it, had just peed while I was waiting for my shit to come out, and I was just shaking it dry. I do agree with Priya on one thing, however. College bathrooms do attract a much more mature and appreciative clientele.

Graduate Thom wrote-
"...although I had both hands on it, had just peed... and I was just shaking it dry."

*snigger, snigger*
Hey, I believe you...

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I get the feeling that some teachers &/or other authoritarian figures actually get off on watching under-age folks in private situations. In fact, I think its even a British tradition of sorts.
Heres a link to Peter Cook & Dudley Moore as "Derek and Clive" discussing British school days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTDz5hvNqTQ
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The white zone is for loading and unloading only- FZ.

Public school or private ? Ewwwwwwww. Time for home schooling and home poohing.