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what happens to stomach acid?

Posted 11.13.2006 by Motherload (1071)
pcpooper asks:

I have an odd question. I was thinking to myself: all that acid in your stomach to process food, where does it go when it's done? Wouldn't it burn a hole if it left the stomach? Thanks.


Dear Pcpooper,

This is the type of question that results in my spending hours researching all kinds of over-my-head stuff like chemistry and quantum physics. It's really too bad that I can't get a degree in medicine through Poop Report. I could end up on the Oprah show...

Gastric acid is secreted by the stomach along with several different types of enzymes. The gastric juice itself consists of mostly hydrochloric acid, but also contains small quantities of potassium chloride and sodium chloride. Sounds like the makings of a good bomb. That explains a lot to me, having IBS and all.

I could go into great detail about the pH levels of the intestinal lumen, and the variances in the acidity and alkalinity of the gastric juices which are affected by fluid intake, food consumption, and other contributing factors. But instead, I will just try to get to the bottom of this question as quickly as possible.

We are all aware of our protective covering on the outside of our bodies called skin. Most people think that once they breathe in air, or take in food or drink that it has gone "inside" the body. This is not really the case.

Everything from the snout to the out of our bodies internally has another "skin" so to speak. This is called the mucosal membrane. The food that we eat goes into the stomach making it seem as though it is inside our body, but until it is broken down and absorbed into the blood stream it is really just simply contained within the boundaries of the internal skin. And the poop that is on the way out is also not really "inside" the body. This is why it is such a medical emergency when there is a breach of the border such as a perforation of the bowel or a bleeding ulcer that has allowed things to go into the body where they were not intended to be.

The mucus that is secreted in the stomach lining provides a protective barrier against the acid. If the mucus membrane is irritated, resulting in the mucus not being able to perform its function effectively, the acid can indeed cause damage. This is known as an ulcer. Acid can also flow upwards past the esophogeal sphincter and cause buring in the chest/throat area. This is what's referred to as acid reflux, or heart burn.

When you get a bad case of diarrhea, and the body just doesn't have the time or ability to properly absorb, adjust pH levels or slam shut the gates that normally contain the stomach acid within the stomach where it belongs, then you will notice the burning sensation at the exit door along with the loss of a few nostril hairs upon smelling it. If left on the old bung hole for too long, it would surely begin to cause some damage eventually. This can range anywhere from a mild burning to a severe rash and even skin ulcerations depending on the amount of acid and length of exposure to it.

Thanks for asking Motherload!

Motherload is a Certified Nurse Assistant as well as an IBS sufferer, which means she knows a lot about poop. Got a question for her? Ask it here.

daphne (4391) -- 11.14.2006

This is why when a baby has the runs, he gets diaper rash, I bet!

I could have purchased stock in Desitin for all the diaper rash my son had. He was a rashy little guy. But, ear infections and medication to solve them surely did not help.


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Double Flush (626) -- 11.14.2006

I recall going over this in college not too long ago. When the food (now called chyme) leaves the stomach, it is acidic. It gets mixed with a base (bicarbonate I think) that neutralizes the acid in the first part of the intestine.

Like Motherload says, there's the mucus lining of the stomach. And the speed of diarrhea can overwhelm the mixing of the bicarbonate. I hope I'm right. I did well on the test, at least...

Hope I could help!

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healthy 1 (1431) -- 11.14.2006

So the reason that a person's starfish burns when they get the runs is beacause the acid reaches tissue that does not have a mucosal membrane.

The stomach acid irritates the exposed skin.
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shitwit (600) -- 11.14.2006

That explains my poor burning ring last night at work. I had the shits several times, and it seemed my ring was burning before I even ran the sandpaper TP across it.


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Kam (30) -- 11.14.2006

I am going to get all anal retentive again about the medical information, but what better site to do that on than poopreport.

1. The vast majority of gastric acid is neutralized by bicarbonate secreted in large quantities by the pancreas. The neutralization is extremely rapid (seconds) and would be very difficult to outpace with intestinal peristalsis. The neutralization is essential for the normal function of digestive enzymes which are also secreted by the pancreas.

2. Most diarrhea is caused by an excess of unabsorbed molecules of a substance - (eg sorbitol in gum) that carry water with them in the lower intestine (osmotic diarrhea), or through excess production of intestinal secretions (secretory diarrhea - eg. cholera infection). Excessive gastric acid isn't a cause.

3. Shit is irritating to skin mainly because of the bile salts that are incorporated into it. If it becomes acidic it's mostly because of byproducts of bacterial metabolism. Wiping your starfish raw during a case of bad diarrhea also contributes to this. Skin breakdown and ulceration is due to a combination of these factors as well as the ongoing inflammatory response of skin to these repeated irritants. Ulceration is unlikely to occur with normal hygeine.

I hereby "out" myself and admit to being an MD who never outgrew the ability to laugh at a good shit story. I come for the "Day I Ruined Thanksgiving" type of stuff, but can't help trying to clarify medical information when I think I can.

Regards, all

Nine Inch Log (564) -- 11.14.2006

That makes sense. When you puke up bile it burns, so if you poop out bile it should burn. Come to think of it the burning sensation feels the same at both ends.

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runninggrrl2 (185) -- 11.14.2006

Yes, but what about those unlucky among us who have not-very-strong pyloric sphincters? The pyloric sphincter is supposed to slowly release the acidic food into the duodenum where it's mixed with the bile, etc., to neutralize its pH. If the pH becomes too low in the small intestine, the body's defense mechanism is to immediately try to expel all bowel contents (in an effort to rid the system of whatever toxin is screwing with the intestines). It's very connected with peristalsis...why do you think you throw up when you get food poisoning?

Food poisoning is usually caused by a bacteria that excretes toxins that the gut just doesn't like. So in an effort to get rid of the toxin, your autonomic nervous system starts to spaz and you vomit and get the shits. Hopefully, that clears out your system before the toxins do any real damage.


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Motherload (1071) -- 11.14.2006

Wow. Even I was unaware of how good I am at this Q&A thing. I do all this research to find just enough info to come up with a response, then---BAM!--- a poop reporter outs himself as an MD in order to provide us with genuine medical knowledge.

Kam, I hope that you will continue to provide this type of truly helpful input any time that you can. You are obviously not a doctor that practices anywhere in Kentucky. The ones that I have the misfortune to have to work around are anal retentive too, but in a shitty way.


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Kam (30) -- 11.14.2006

Runninggrrl, you raise some interesting points. A "lax" pyloric sphincter will result in rapid gastric emptying. This can cause (no joke) "Dumping Syndrome". The excessively rapid delivery of stomach contents to the duodenum causes diarrhea for a number of reasons. It is partially due to the large amount of fluid and osmoles (molecules in solution) delivered to the gut, and partially due to autonomic nervous system effects. However, there is a very significant contribution from myriad GI tract hormones which are released in response to the distention and altered pH and initiate strong peristaltic waves, causing the rapid delivery of large amounts of liquid to the colon ending up as the squirts. Cramps, sweats, rapid heart rate, low blood pressure, and other symptoms can also be present.

Vomiting is mediated by a brainstem reflex that can be triggered by GI tract related or non-GI tract related stimuli. Many things that irritate or inflame the upper GI tract can cause vomiting (eg, ipecac, viral gastroenteritis). Bacterial toxins and somteimes the bacteria themselves will have an irritant and inflammatory effect and by so doing will cause vomiting.

In the lower GI tract, bacterial toxins (eg from e.coli or cholera) often alter the handling of water and electrolytes, causing hypersecretion into the intestinal and colonic lumen and then diarrhea. Other bacteria actually will invade the cells of the intestinal wall causing inflammation and cell death resulting in further irritation, peristalsis and impaired absorbtion of fluid and electrolytes - all of which can cause diarrhea.

From what people were saying earlier it made it sound as if there was a giant gastric acid tsunami wave travelling down the intestines, dissolving everything in its path, finally crashing onto the shores of asshole beach. I am pretty confident that this isn't the case.

DungDaddy (1461) -- 11.15.2006

It's true, Motherload. You are the best. I might be kissing your ass, but you are still the best.

SamDamnit (1196) -- 11.16.2006

Cool!

So, if you turned me inside out, I would have fabulous snot skin!
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Katie G (not verified) -- 05.15.2008

I'm glad I found this site. I hope someone here can help me. I was diagnoised with head and neck cancer last July. Surgery in Sept where I had 2/3 of the base of my tongue removed. I've never smoked, btw. Graft from my thigh and things have healed up nicely. Have to use a feeding tube right now though. The formula that I'm on has been working just fine so far. My problem is flaming anus due to a yellowish discharge. This started sometime during my recovery from a severe radiation burn on my neck in Dec. of '07. I had no sooner healed from that when I came down with pneumonia the end of Jan. '08. I was on heavy antibiotics during a great deal of this time. My daughter said that this probably killed off all the good bugs in my gut as well as the bad ones, resulting in a huge upset in my stomach. She suggested I find some kind of drink that contained probiotics. I found an organic yogurt smoothie drink that cleared things up within days. I was symptom free for about a week. A couple of days ago it came back. I have no fever or stomach cramps. In fact, other than this I'm feeling great. My bowel movements are normaly shaped, but soft. Probably due to the fact that I'm on a liquid diet. I did see a gastric doctor who had never heard of such a thing and didn't really have an answer for me. Has anyone out there heard of this problem and what can I do next. I'm really desperate because when I have a bad episode it is extremely painful, to the point that I can't walk. Any help would be so appreciated.

wonderpance (666) -- 05.15.2008

hi kaite. sounds like you've been through a lot! i hope our site can help you.

however, questions posted in the comments of other stories don't always get prompt or serious responses, so i would suggest that you ask our resident poop nurse.

here: http://www.poopreport.com/user/2191/contact


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daphne (4391) -- 05.16.2008

Good advice, Pance.

Katie, in the meantime, have you considered using Desitin on your butt? You have a little bit of what might be considered diaper rash, which is your butt losing its natural balance of ph due to wiping or whatever.


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The Shit Volcano (3817) -- 05.16.2008

Wow! This question never occurred to me before, but I had to click just to find the answer. Thanks, Motherload. And thanks, Kam!

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poopgreengirl (not verified) -- 09.25.2008

I've ben unable to eat anything for days can you help me it all comes up very acidy and comes out the other end green a slimey. I'm realy sick and if I take an acid reducer I get worse. I've been able to get some cheerios down this morning without milk!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't have info but I need help Please what should I do whats good to eat even salads make me sick oil gressings tomato's applesause cheese all make me very sick and the acid burns????????????????

yellowRocket (not verified) -- 12.27.2008

OK so it seems every month or so I get it really bad 12-24hs easily and after vomiting, eliminating seems to be purely yellow stomach acid and water, -cant keep water down even only way to help is pepto ginger ale and gatorade drains my body to the point of being bed-ridden and unable to walk. no headache or cramps just massive juice flow. lasts for days but the worst is over in 24-36h

Bamboozler (not verified) -- 05.06.2009

Ok, So back about 2 months ago i was bowling and got some bad bacteria, and had nasty black D for a week. I got antibiotics and got it cleared up. But ever since then whenever i "drop the kids off at the pool," or pass gas, my browneye and skin around it starts to burn, and worsens if i move around. It only goes away if i jump in the shower real fast and wash myself. I believe I'm feelin some of my lovely burning stomach acid. my appetite hasn't been the same either. Can you give me some tips on how to fix this problem. It sucks not being able to pass gas, feel like I'm going to spontaneously combust.

Green remorse (not verified) -- 07.08.2009

Green diarhea is sometimes a serious symptom of gallbladder trouble. Any of you troubled poopers out there with pain , vomiting, GREEN runs? Get a simple sonogram . No needles, totally non-invasive, not embarassing. They can use the doppler function to see if there is flow through the gallbladder. Sometimes it's the right size & shape & has maybe a few stones but if there's no flow through it, you could have big trouble. So don't wait like I did.
Mine blew up! Talk about pain & major poop-a-thon! Major marathon between bed & bath. My surgeon "argued with" himself whether or not to remove it!!! I didn't understand, but they don't like to operate during the episodes. He didn't know it had blown. I was insisting on pain meds & being accused of drug addiction. Took me over a month of total hell to get help.

Anonymous roidville (not verified) -- 07.21.2009

I have been smoking pot for 30 years and really increased my consumption to about 4 J's a day a year ago. I know I know stop it I know!!!!!!!!!!!I noticed my bowels were getting very runny lately like everyday at 5 am..DUH..............but I ended up with hemroids bad. I stopped pot cold turkey 4 days ago

How long does it take for roids to go away? I think the gastric acid in poopland burned me and caused bad roids. Im taking Clearmed and no more POT. THC is toxic to me now finally.

will that help?....plus I am treadmilling 40 mins a day starting a week ago roids are not gone yet but less pain the THC is overloaded stupid me .............I know........... shut up everyone I know! hahahaha............and I think my body is trying to get rid of the THC full time. Im in the bathroom waaaaaaaaaay too much in the past week. The doctor did say they were roids but I think its the THC. Too much on my liver I think my liver is overloaded and I got portalblock dang addictions anyways

your thoughts?

Humbled

ChiefThunderbutt (2712) -- 07.21.2009

Anonymous roidville......I don't think your roids have anything to do with pot. I smoked about six ounces a month for 15 years and had northing like that happen. The best way to clear up hemorrhoids is with soap and water. After a dump and a wipe use a wash cloth, warm water, and a mild soap like Ivory. It will do wonders.


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Anonymous Coward (not verified) -- 07.21.2009

6 ounces a month no waaaaaaaaaaay, but I hope you are right and wrong at the same time. Ivory soap hmmmmmm maybe Ill try

ChiefThunderbutt (2712) -- 07.22.2009

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay.......I started smoking as soon as I got up and smoked a plump J about every two hours until bedtime. I was pretty stoned the whole day and it did no favors for my lungs but I went through six ounces each month. I take no pride in such an achievement I only state fact.


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Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

Anonymous roiville (not verified) -- 07.22.2009

wow you did smoke that much. Well good that you stopped. I thought I was bad whew. well I feel better this morning and roidville is receding but I felt it this morning. Gotta sit for six frikin hours in school today shi_

Wow lungs again. It takes a while to get the THC out probably a year for me. that sucks

sittingpretty (2317) -- 07.22.2009

roidville, try Preperation H Cooling Gel on the hemmorhoids. It works wonders and leaves no greasy stains on under-roos.br>_______
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ChiefThunderbutt (2712) -- 07.22.2009

roidville.....I spent several years in the Air Force and can pass on some more information that may be helpful. When you must sit for an extended period of time, flying a plane or sitting in school, every time you think about it WINK YOUR ASSHOLE. This helps prevent blood from pooling and in addition to absolute cleanliness (soap and water) of the asshole may help prevent the dreaded hemorrhoids. Remember, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

All the THC will be out of your system in about thirty days but lung damage takes mush longer to repair. The resins and tars in pot can be quite damaging to the lungs. If you smoke tobacco you should give that up too.


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Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

Anonymous roidville (not verified) -- 07.24.2009

you guys are soooooooooo kool. I had the runs bad yesterday, but roidness-ness did not come back I definitely felt the burn for an hour plus from rea-land of course. Waaay yellow. very burny. Seriously folks I think what happened is the heavy pot smoking dried up the old canal down there and when I take the big dump hahahahaha (this is so doofus) the dryness irritates and with portal liver back-up I think they developed. Its been a week with no pot an 1/8 a day guys hahahaha shi_
So here come the sweats and fatigue. So I took a dump a minute ago and I feel burny but not bad. This is frikin workinnnnnnn Im going to go treadmill right now

So how long does it take to get resin out of lungs..... a year? I can breath fine and deeply so hopefully no real damage. Damn what we do to ourselves

Just me from New Zealand (not verified) -- 11.01.2009

I went finally for a colonoscopy today, thinking that finally I would know the reason for dahreah that has gone on for years, I am in my mid 50's and have found out that my colon and intestines etc are perfect.
I have tried, diet, gone gluten free, dairy free meat free, raw food is shocking it has me on the toilet for days... I have tried all kinds of things and wondered if anyone can suggest why this may be happening to me..has anyone had loose bowel movements for years and no one can diagnose why.

sittingpretty (2317) -- 11.02.2009

Anonymous roidville, I doubt seriously that it's the pot causing your problems. Rather than diagnosing yourself, go see a doctor.
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