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Scientific Conjecture Regarding a Woman's Misfortune

Posted 01.23.2002 by Dave (11578)

It started when Matt forwarded this article to his friends:

Flushed with Anger -- Sky Toilet Horror

Tuesday January 22 8:58 AM ET

OSLO (Reuters) - An American woman had no need to fasten her seatbelt on a flight from Scandinavia to the United States after a high-pressure vacuum flush sealed her to the toilet seat of the transatlantic airliner.

The woman filed a complaint with Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS) after her ordeal on a Boeing 767 flight last year. She got sucked in after pushing the flush button while seated, activating a system to clean the toilet by vacuum, the airline said Monday.

"She could not get up by herself and had to sit on the toilet until the flight had landed so that ground technicians could help her get loose," a SAS spokeswoman told Reuters. "She was stuck there for quite a long time."

Matt included this note with the story:

"The logistics of this happening are truly mind-boggling. For one's arse to form a perfect seal around a toilet defies logic. I mean, as far as I know, most people have an anatomical feature medically referred to as a 'crack'. That, and the fact that she wasn't turned inside out (through the butt-hole) makes her a very lucky person. I see an "airtight" lawsuit on the horizon."

And thus it began.


"dude - that's just gross! it must be one hell of an arse! was her butt stained blue from the chemicals?"
---- Jen



"Or did she have a giant ass hickey?"
---- Matthew



"All good questions.

"However, I am still hung up on the fact she wasn't turned inside out like an old sock. Does anyone have the vacuum pressure threshold statistics of the human rectum? (preferably in torr, but pascals will do)."
---- Matt



"This sounds like a academic challange perfect for Dr. Joe Calo, MD BM PP!"
---- Dave



"I find it disturbing that when one thinks of the "vacuum pressure threshold" of the human rectum, they think of me??! My mom would be sooooo proud. Good day.

"p.s. I'm on it."
---- Dr. Joe Calo, MD BM PP



"To be truthful we normally think of Joe under the complete opposite scenario; the "internal pressure rating" of the human rectum. I think Dave was confusing Joe's vast knowledge of rectal pressure relief mechanisms (as well as a more general technical intimacy with his ass) with a knowledge of a vacuum pressure threshold (or more precisely a negative pressure rating, since a vacuum is defined by a void, in this instance of pressure) that the human body may have.

"However there is a chance that your prolific amount of gas discharge could be construed as a constant state of negative pressure exterior to your colon and thereby making you an expert on the matter. However who am I to speculate whether your gaseous excretions are caused by taking it in or giving it out to exacerbate the pressure differential ("it" being defined as standard atm pressure air).

"But if you let me take this one unmerciful step further; if I base a hypothesis that Joe truly enjoys taking it in the rectum then it must true that a lower pressure exists within his colon and thereby he cannot be an expert. Some may contend that Joe has a choice to take it or give it but remember scientists are still debating whether taking in it the rectum is a genealogic predisposition or a social decision.

"An alarming number of scientist believe the former and therefore Joe has no choice but to take it in the rectum and thereby discounts any claims to be expert in the rating of rectal response to negative external pressures. I do believe that Joe should not be discounted for all matters concerning the physics/biology of the ass. He could undoubtedly be used for expert testimony in the subject of rectal friction, but that is for another discussion.

"I have included on the CC list a "vacuum" expert that may be of some help in shedding some light on negative pressure, "vacuum", ratings of rectum. You may or may not know Mr. Jim L-------, but he's well known in my circle for the ability to rate vacuum suction and base it on a unique rectal scale. I can remember distinctly when we purchased the ShopVac Wet/Dry Vacuum for our house on Summit. Upon turning on the unit Jim exclaimed, "That thing could suck the ass out of a cat!" It seems that Mr. L------- has determine a simple relationship between rectal size and vacuum amps/HP."
---- Matthew



"I will be flying on an airplane next Wednesday, to Tampa. In the interest of science, I will attempt to use my ass to form an airtight seal around the airline toilet seat, and flush. If all goes well, the suction will strongly affix me to the toilet, but hopefully not turn my colon inside-out. I will write a dissertation of my findings for Poopreport. Professor Joseph F-------- will be present to verify any discoveries I make (and potentially pry me off the toilet with a fork). I want to see if that woman's claims are valid, or if she's just a big, fat, lawsuit-happy, publicity hound."
---- Dave (a different Dave than above)



"Hey, you call my mom a publicity hound again and I'll kick your ass."
---- Dave (a third Dave)



"{Matthew's Corporation} would be proud to know that one of their expert contract engineers is dabbling in the field of rectal pressure. I see a theorem on the (vertical) horizon.

"Some suggestions to Mr. L------'s feline/anal scale (which is quite revolutionary) Dr. Calo MD BM PP, you should pay attention here as well:

"Given the fact that a standard wet/dry shop-VAC (take for instance the SEARS CRAFTSMAN 16 gal. model # 17026) advertises 6.25 HP / 12.0 AMPS of sucking ability. Now, before moving any further along, we must agree on some things: (1) Horsepower is normally defined as a Rate of Work (POWER) however, I believe that the manufacturer is using the definition of motor HP here (torque X speed). Therefore (2) As motor speed will be variable from shop-VAC to shop-VAC we must agree upon a standard convention, in this case, WATTS (the SI unit of power where 1 WATT=1 joule/second). (3) One can deduce that (using OHMS law) since W = A x V then said shop-VAC will operate at about 1440 WATTS (10 ohms). So, if this shop-VAC operates at 1440 watts, then we have approximately 5,184,000 Joules in one hour.

"Let's now apply this to Mr. L------'s "CAT HYPOTHESIS". Say the average cat's rectum (and I am going out on a limb here) is about 1 CM (about the width of a pinky finger, or so I would imagine) and it would take no more than 5 seconds to completely "suck the ass out of a cat". We can arrive at the following conclusion: first, reduce 5,184,000 J per hour to J/sec, which equals about 1,400 Joules per second. Then, multiply 1,400 J/S x 5 seconds and you have the answer:

"It takes about 7,000 Joules to "SUCK THE ASS OUT OF A CAT".

"Now, applying this theory to the "Airline Incident": If the average human rectum is approximately double to triple the size of our feline counterpart, say 2 to 3 CM (but all other things equal, sucking threshold, etc.) We'll use the average 2.5 CM (about the width of my middle finger) to discover the amount of force present in the plane's toilet bowl.

"Based on the theory above (which may have some 'holes' in it) it would require about 17,500 Joules (2.5 CM x 7,000 Joules) to "SUCK THE ASS OUT OF THE PASSENGER". So, the Airline toilet had to have LESS than 17,500 joules of 'suction' present or she would have been turned inside out like a sock.

"I am currently working on the force required to adhere the woman to the seat, but I don't have any height/weight information. I can only come up with a vague range. I need more data.
---- Matt



Actually Matt, an average cat's rectum is 1.5 cm in diameter. Or so I've heard.
---- Shoe



poop plot
Preliminary Data: As you can see, there is undoubtedly a direct, and proportionate relationship between one's weight and the force required to maintain the adhesive seal on the airline toilet. Now somewhere along this line is the R(T), the R sub T, also known as the "RECTAL THRESHOLD" (which we believe to be about 17,500 Joules). This graph opens the door to many questions: Is it possible to be so fat that you wouldn't be able to be stuck to the toilet, because your innards/entrails would be sucked out? I'm still working on it!



Area Man Charged with Animal Cruelty

Friday January 25 4:10 PM ET

Rochester, NY -- Alcohol is the suspected cause of a strange string of events that occurred early Sunday morning in the 1600 Block of Broad St. in Rochester.

Police report that Mr. Matt D----- was found in the early hours of Sunday morning behind the well known gay nightclub, The Purple Kitty, in downtown Rochester. At the time of his arrest, Mr. D------ was visibly intoxicated and had in his possession a micrometer and an extremely distressed cat. Police suspect that Mr. D------ was in some way harming the animal due to the extensive lacerations on the posterior of the animal.

Mr. D------- was charged with Animal Cruelty and was fined $1500.00. Sources inside the Rochester PD say that officers are baffled as to what D------ was attempting to do. "It looked like he was measuring the damn thing's behind!" said Office Kip Steele of the Rochester Police Department.

When questioned by authorities, D------ was reportedly incoherent. "I NEED TO MEASURE IT!", shouted D------ as he was loaded into a police cruiser. "Its SCIENCE!!". Police say that the investigation will continue.
---- James


Editor's note: This debate has been official resolved. Please read Airline Toilets and Vacuum-Sealed Asses: A PoopReport Investigation.

Prof. F. (not verified) -- 01.23.2002

I don't know a thing about joules and ohms and all that, so I'll take your word for it. It's possible that enough pressure would build to hold a fat lady's ass to the seat without being enough to rip her intestines through her rectum. However, the presence of a toilet seat would contain enpugh space between it and the toilet that would make it not airtight. Unless this lardass woman was so damn fat that her enormous flab hung over the seat itself and blocked off any seams with the toilet. If this is he case, any sound jury would dismiss it. It's not the airlines fault. They designed the flushing system to account for normal people, not grossly obese fatties. Furthermore, why was she flushing while she was still sitting on the toilet? Did't she get up to see her turds all sprayed blue?
As for the experiment, 2nd Dave. I will accompany you into the flight bathroom, position myself beside the seat and determine if an airtight seal could in fact me made, in which we will suck you rectum right out, boy.

Crapmonster (19) -- 01.23.2002

wow, I am in awe of what has been stated by these geniuses of the sphincter. With minds like these, who knows what the future of pooping will be?

Matt (75) -- 01.23.2002

Professor F hit the nail right on the head. Even without crunching the numbers, it just doesn't logically add up. When I gather more data I will be able to determine if the "victim's" story is plausible. If it requires more than 17,500 joules to hold this woman to the toilet seat we have another "hole" in her testimony. I hope they call me in as an expert witness. I anxiously await the results of Dave #2's research next week. Dave #2, report to my office for a pre-flight physical. I just gloved up.

Dave #2 (not verified) -- 01.23.2002

Every valid clinical study must begin with a legitimate hypothesis. Therefore, when I conduct my experiment next week, I will be operating on this idea: In a 10-minute, open-label, safety and tolerability study of the human rectum, it will take 17,500 Joules of suction from the toilet of a JetBlue airliner to securely affix the buttocks of a 170 pound man to the toilet seat without causing serious internal injury, rupture, fracture, or hemorrhage.
The study will be sponsored by Poopreport.com, and henceforth be referred to as "Protocol Bung-2002."

Professor Steele (not verified) -- 01.23.2002

Secondary issues to your hypothesis that you may want to enter into the study. If the net force that is being applied is considered to be a constant of 17500 joules over the sphincter alone, it would be the same as takig a dump in a fire hose. What needs to be noticed is the underlying fact that a seal of many times greater was created so that the women was not sucked out of the plane nor was she sucked through the seat. What does this mean then? Well, the underlying pressure that was pulling her was greater to that of .94g or about(because the pull of gravity is artificial due t the change in atmospher from an enclosed area) that much to place her ass in a point of theoretical 0 g, because it was being pulled but not in excess of the seal that could be generated. As a reslt, if her ass was in negative or 0 g,and she had defecated, what would the net result be on teh point where the turd was able to travel? It would have been comparable to the plane changing its altitude. Had the pilot changes the overall g of the plane, he could have tossed her out of the seat by exposing her entire mass to 0g. If htis is the case, then how does the space shuttle toilet work? As an astronaut at NASA, I can tell you.
The current Space Shuttle Toilet, properly called the Waste Collection System (WCS), is a fully-integrated multi-function system. It is a flushing toilet - but it flushes with air, not water.

The WCS sits in its own tiny rest room in the middeck of the crew compartment. The room is about 75 cm wide, and so is the commode.

The astronauts are held on the commode/toilet by a bar across their thighs. As you know, NASA always has backups for everything. Here, the backup system to the bar is a set of four Velcro thigh straps. And of course, there are foot restraints as well.

The urinal works for both males and females. It’s basically just a funnel attached to a flexible hose. It can be used whether you are sitting on the commode, or standing. The urine is drawn along by flowing air. The mixture of liquid and air from the urinal is carried to a rotating chamber. Centrifugal force throws the liquid to the outside, from where it travels to the waste water tank. So yes, the urine does hit a spinning circular object...

The commode seat is made of a contoured, compliant semi-soft material. Not only does it locate the user in the right position, but it also makes a good air seal with the buttocks of the astronaut. The hole for solid wastes is about 10 cm across.

When the toilet is in use, it has a continuous flow of cabin air whistling in through holes under the seat. This airflow of 850 litres per minute is essential to push the faeces toward the bottom of the toilet, because there is no gravity to make them drop. The airflow draws faeces from the commode into a porous bag. The bag is made of a multi-layer material that repels water. The bag traps solid wastes (including tissues), but lets the air through. It also stops any free liquids or bacteria from leaving as well.

Once astronauts have finished using the WCS, they open the valve and expose the contents to the vacuum of space. All solid wastes get instantly freeze-dried and de-odourised. They are then brought back to Earth for analysis and disposal.

Joe C (17) -- 01.23.2002

We may have all stumbled upon something here that may revolutionize the vast, laxative industry. If the makers of ShopVac were to somehow fashion a device that conforms to the average buttocks(one size fits all if you will...)that creates a perfect seal around the ass, it is feasible to think that, with sufficient power, a vacuum could indeed suck the shit right out of a person who is constipated, solving centuries of turmoil in the colon. Seeing that my peers have so exquistely solved the issue at hand(the forces required), we must now turn our attention to a device that may help the average constipated person. I myself have never been "constipated," but should I ever become so, I wouldn't want to rely upon some chewable "treat" that may work in the next hour or several hours from now, where I could possibly be away from a suitable toilet(suitable toilet meaning, a toilet that resides in my home). I would want something that is fast, easy, and gets the job done! Cat lovers note, I will not test my device on any animal. I would hate for the SPCA to show up at my door with a warrrant, imagine the embarassment! I will test the device on my brothers.
For the betterment of mankind!
Dr. C

Brother C. (not verified) -- 01.23.2002

Hey, if it's in the name of science I'm all for it...

Todd G (not verified) -- 01.24.2002

Very Nice. I am extremly impressed by this important study. It could change the way we crap all together. Should you need my experience in Waste Composition Studies, please feel free to call on me Matt. You know my digits..

matthew (not verified) -- 01.24.2002

Dave, prior to you test flight trials please be sure to properly prepare your ass for the task at hand. You should consider shaving, if not waxing, you entire ass and genital regions. Remember gentlemen, woman are configured differently in this area of the body and it may be anatomically impossible for a male to simulate the initial occurence. Dave, it may be necessary to enlist the help of women volunteers at the airport. I would suggest approaching them in the line while the baggage is being checked. The best approach would be a direct one, "Excuse me miss, would you like to partake in an ass sucking exercise." Without a doubt you will meet some resistance but science in not easy! Good luck and may God's speed be with you! Remember the future of ass sucking lies in your hands.

matthew (not verified) -- 01.24.2002

Joe C. The Shop/Vac will require a method for displacing the colon contents or we would run into a vapor lock situation. The best appoach would be to use a liquid or air purge tube which could pentrate beyond the blockage and provide a slightly positive pressure. This feature could also be used (with more pressure)to dislodge material affixed to or trapped in the folds of the colon. I am not sure which fluid would be better, liquid or air. Liquid has the advantage of being a more pleasant and cleansing approach and will not dry the inner walls of the colon. You could also use scented or menthol accents to the liquid for a fresh and clean feeling. The disadvantage obviously is that long after completing your business your ass will be draining. The air issue does have a lot of obvious downfalls. Gravity will generally not be effective in exhausting the air, thereby leaving trapped air pockets in the colon. One scenario would be a colon full of air and a massive fart to signal the end of business (Similar to Fred Flinstones quarry whistle.). Like liquid, scents and/or menthol could be atomized into the air stream to cover odors and provide a pleasant ending. Refer to the Rainbow vacuum products and their line of vacuums & accessories. (Note: Never let a Rainbow Vacuum Salesman into your home.) To be continued...

Matthew (not verified) -- 01.24.2002

Please consider the anus pucker factor(symbolized by * in tech. equations)when determining the vacuum (negative pressure) resistance of the colon. I'm pretty sure that when Dr. Jim L was conducted his feline trials, that the cats didn't want there ass sucked out so you would imagine a high * for this situation. Humans are a different breed and largely have instinctive and learned anus behaviors. I would imagine the * factor for humans is highly variable.

Dave #2 (not verified) -- 01.24.2002

As the dawn of my ass sucking experiment nears, I grow increasingly unsettled. What if Matt's calculations are slightly flawed, and my rectal threshold is far lower than 17,500 joules? Where do I fall on his graph of passenger weight to force? Will I be violently sucked into the commode, my screams silenced, only to be pooped upon by subsequent airline bathroom users? Professor Steele, the accomplished ass-tronaut, had some interesting insights as well...if I do manage to form an airtight ass-seal, and I'm being sucked into the toilet, what if I release a turd? Will it shoot out of my arse like a bullet out of a gun? What's the relationship between force and dung-speed?
I will take Matthew's suggestion, and shave my posterior, and surrounding regions, so rogue hairs don't foil my experiment. I am considering some sort of "ass gasket" as a safety device to relieve the pressure if the suction gets too strong, however.
In the meantime, I'm eating fatty foods in an attempt to increase the mass of my ass, in order to properly cover the aforementioned airline toilet seat.

Trashcanman (240) -- 01.24.2002

I believe a human can tolerate about 2-3 atmospheres (14-21 PSI) I know american law dictates that rides like rollercoasters have no more than 3.5 Gs, 10 Gs is the point in which death occours. do the math, if you know conversion rates that could possibly convert gs to psi, you have your positive answer, as for negetive, I don't know.

cannon_fodder (not verified) -- 01.31.2002

FYI, this story is now know to be false. So I suppose you should not worry too much about the details. But it still might be interesting stuff to know! Here is the link. http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=humannews&StoryID=557406

Dave (11578) -- 02.05.2002

I don't believe it's false. I believe it's a cover-up! The company admitted it happened, and then a week later turns around and says it didn't? Bullshit! This airline is just trying to keep the truth from the pooping masses. But we know better...

Honkin' Ponk (not verified) -- 07.07.2002

Dear colleagues

Speaking from the arse of the world and therefore one who knows, I would advise cognizance of extreme temperature. Hypothermia may play a part in that exposing the interior of the rectum, bowels, and colon to Antarctic temperatures and whilst easing the extraction due to contraction of the fecal matter (it would freeze dry it) the same may happen to hitherto unconsidered vital organs. e.g. the penis and the large and small intestines.

If Joe C. would be so kind as to test the device under these conditions on brother C. I would move that this test be designated as fundamental and if this motion is passed, the test would be inserted into the requirements specification under the heading 'external configuration appurtaining to international localization'.

Cheers

Honkin' Ponk

PS Roman gamblers would test if a horse had been doped by tasting the equine faeces.

Slim Jim Junkie (not verified) -- 05.12.2003

If you were constipated you could use the vac flush to suck shit

Tubbs (not verified) -- 10.07.2003

Did she pee or poo?

Poo-Poo Head (not verified) -- 11.01.2003

Dude, poop is so awesome!
K.M.+K.H.=Juicy Farts!

Pee-Pee Head (not verified) -- 11.01.2003

Dude, pee is so awesome!
M.M.+E.B.=Stinky Pee & Smelly Buttcheeks!

The Shit Volcano (3737) -- 02.22.2004

I have always had a dreadful fear of swimming pool drains because of something that happened when I was only two. A girl at our local swimming pool was sitting in the kiddie wading pool and someone had left the cover off the drain. Somehow the girl swam over it and got sucked into a sitting position. Her intestines were sucked out of her body and she died a week later. It is indeed possible to loose your guts through suction. But I doubt if an airline toilet has the sucking capacity to do so.

PooBeeDooBeeDoooo (not verified) -- 08.18.2004

Dear Crap Colleagues,

I believe I've discovered a major flaw in the initial calculations. This could have disastrous effects on the outcomes of this learned study.

When comparing the size of a feline anus to that of a human subject, one must consider the AREA of the hole, not the diameter. We’ll call this measurement the ASA (anal surface area). If we assume that the rectal opening can be approximated as a being circular in form, then we may use the simple Pi * radius squared formula to compute the ASA.

So, for a cat’s bung, with a supposed diameter of 1 cm (Having several cats, I can assure you that I’ve seen much larger diameter turds in our cat box, but we’ll settle on 1 cm as something of an average), we may compute the cat ASA to be 0.785 cm^2. Now for a human, if we accept the diameter to be 2.5 cm, then the ASA would be 4.909.

Thus, the human ASA is 6.253 times that of a cat. We’ll call this constant of proportionality ASAF for Anal Surface Area Factor. So we need to multiply our 7000 joules by the correct ASAF of 6.253 instead of 2.5. This yields a value of 43,771 joules to suck the ass out of a human.

It is simple errors like these which blur a Hubble or send a Mars probe hurtling to certain destruction.

Fellow scientists, you must watch your asses!

Just nother pooper (not verified) -- 10.12.2006

At least the people stuck in the seats next to fattie got a break for the rest of the flight. Luckily for them, she couldn't fart herself free.

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