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The Lav Of My Life: Nigel's Childhood Outhouse

Posted 07.28.2004 by Nigel (12)
I am Nigel, age 67, retired. My son Alan has been a close friend of {PoopReport contributor} Sitting Wiper since they started school. In a post this March, Sitting Wiper described using a double-seater outhouse with my son when they went together to stay with my dad, twenty-six years ago.

This was the outhouse I grew up using. His post, and the book East Anglian Privies by Jean Turner, has jogged my memory. I look nostalgically back to that outhouse -- though not nostalgically enough to want to use it now!

My own early childhood days were relatively mollycoddled. My dad worked in a solicitor's office until the war. I was only two when he went into the Air Force. His visits home were frequent, but short. My mother and I lived with my mother's parents, who had an indoor toilet and a bath. My father was shot down over Germany near the end of the war, but survived virtually unscathed. He was a POW for a few weeks, and was pretty well treated.

He returned only to discover my mother had gone off with an Italian, leaving me with my grandparents. They had gone to live in Italy and I never saw her again. My father did emergency training as a teacher, and when he had finished the course he got a job in our area. He rented a small terraced cottage in the country, with no "mod cons." Shared among four houses was a two-seater toilet, with a third lower seat suitable for a small child. I was nine at the time, water came from an outside tap, and that first evening Dad and I just cried in each other's arms. My mother had left me, and I was still getting to know my father. We had only each other.

I dreaded that first morning. I knew that after breakfast I would be sitting my bare bottom on that long wooden plank. Through the kitchen window I saw the boy next door, whom I hadn't then yet met, carrying a toilet roll, walking towards the outhouse holding his little brother's hand. They emerged after a few minutes, and then the bigger boy set off for the junior school a mile away. My dad said, "Come on, let US go." I hated sitting with my dad. It was the first and last time I saw him on the toilet. He had himself grown up with modern conveniences, though he roughed it a bit in the RAF.

In the afternoon, my dad took me to see the headmaster. The headmaster looked at the report from my previous school and left me in a corridor writing an essay about myself while he talked to my dad. Very few students from that school passed the exam for the Grammar School, but he decided that I had a good chance. He sent for the boy from next door, who was in the year above me; he regarded him as a star pupil, and thought we would be good for each other.

That boy, Barry, showed me around the school. He said that some boys with facilities like the one our families shared used the school toilets to "sit on each morning" (or whatever expression he used -- it was nearly sixty years ago!). But he chose not to -- because, during the long walk to school, he might feel an urgent need that couldn't wait until he arrived; so it was better to go at home.

He was always ready to "do it" before setting out. He had grown up with those facilities, and his daily sit was a social -- not a private -- operation. He asked me what I thought of the toilets at home. I told him! He said that none of the children liked going at the same time as their parents, and usually arranged among themselves to go with each other. Until recently an older boy from further down the row of houses had accompanied Barry and his little brother Robin, but he had just started his national service. Barry said I could join him and Robin the following morning, if I wanted to.

I sensed that this was a person I could trust and get on with. I didn't want to offend my dad, but when I told him, he said he understood. He hadn't liked going with me any more than I did with him. It wasn't appropriate for two generations to see each other with their pants 'round their ankles.

So the next morning, before setting out for school together, Barry called for me, and we went to do "something else" -- which we would do together on most mornings for the next eight years. Off we three traipsed. I sat at one end (where the boy who was now a soldier had sat) and Barry sat in the middle, next to Robin, who, at that stage, still needed help with wiping and with his trousers. (In those days, of course, we wore short trousers until the third year in grammar school. Very cold in the winter, though easier to pull down than longs.) I'm sorry to say that we didn't always wash our hands -- hygiene was not stressed as much in those days.

That first morning, I was a bit shy as the three of us dropped our trousers together, but soon I thought nothing of it. I am sure that this daily ritual with Barry (and Robin) helped to develop a bond between us as friends.

After a few years, my dad and the other occupants bought their houses at a reduced price as sitting (!) tenants -- and the first project was to have indoor bathrooms and toilets fitted. Ironically, we two older boys still used the outside toilets in the mornings before catching the train to our grammar school about ten miles away. Sitting time was quality time. As we got older, we had to fit a shave in as well.

Robin started to sit on the inside toilet when it was installed, because the child's seat was much too low. But he would often come out to talk to us if he finished before we had; and once we started shaving, that was often the case. We went outside, even in winter when there was no need to, apart from during really bad weather. My dad, however, often 'went' at the school where he taught -- but our deposits made wonderful compost, and after all we three boys had left home and gone to university, my dad kept up our tradition. He produced wonderful vegetables.

Barry went to university a year before me. During the year he was gone, Robin, who had become a friend in his own right, decided to keep me company. He said he would keep the seat warm for Barry when he came home on vacation. Robin was now at the grammar school, and when our bottoms had finished their work, and we had cleaned them up and covered them up, we set off for the train.

This daily aspect of everybody's life was much more of a chore in those days than it is now, but it is very much part of Britain's social history. Maybe that's why all three of us studied history at university.

There's one thing that does seem strange in retrospect. As children and young people, we never liked sitting out there alone. After the indoor toilets were installed, if Barry and Robin were both away, I would always use our indoor one. I had, of course, gotten used to sitting on the toilet by myself at my gran's when I was younger, but Barry found it very strange when he went to university to perform this daily action without company. When my son Alan would visit my father when he was young, he would only go outside if he had a friend with him. (Sometimes he went with Robin's son Martin, if Martin was staying next door with his grandparents.)

There were no women in our house, but the women in the other houses used a commode at home and then emptied it in the toilet; and the other men often went at work. So when all the other children left home, the outside toilet was used really only used by Barry and myself, and sometimes Robin.

When my dad sold his house and came to live near us, the outdoor loo was given to a museum. I could kick myself for not taking a photo of it before it was taken away, but I have found this picture of a similar one.

I sat on the left one, Barry on the middle one, and little Robin on the lower one on the right. He was only four when our ritual started, so before long it was too low for him. But before the inside toilets were installed, they got him a rubber ring to sit on, which made it higher. Our facility was kept much better than the one in the picture, and there was even a piece of old carpet on the floor, shaken regularly.

When my dad came to live near us, he looked after our garden as well as his own until he was well into his eighties. By then we could afford to buy our compost rather than produce it, but we often said that the old method made better vegetables! Dad died age eighty-eight earlier this year. Barry and Robin came with their families to the funeral, and so did Sitting Wiper and his wife and parents. Fellow-toileteers became friends for life.

-- Nigel

Turdmatic 6000 (not verified) -- 07.28.2004

Interesting. What is it about communal crapping that's worse when more than 1 generation's involved?

The Big Wiper (2245) -- 07.28.2004

Nigel sums up quite well the bonding that can take place between guys under such circumstances. I experienced many years of this kind of social activity throughout my middle, high school and college years. Like Deuce Fan and ThreePly have indicated, these were opportunities to relate to someone on a casual, friendly basis without being uptight at all about a basic bodily function.

Nigel, I have enjoyed Sitting Wiper's input on this site in recent months and have encouraged him to visit more often with his interesting stories.

Also: the pic you provided of the toilets was very enlightening. My grandfather had a two-seater (with a partition between the holes) for many years on his farm before he finally installed indoor plumbing.

Excellent poop reporting, my friend!

Poop Is My Friend (45) -- 07.28.2004

Very nice, enjoyed the look to the past. When I was younger, our whole family would have no problems being in the bathroom at the same time as someone else was taking a dump. I don't think we even kept the door closed normally.

But by the time I was around 15 maybe, that practice had died off. I imagine it's due to teenagers wanting their privacy and all. I think it probably does bring a family closer together.

Poopterphex (not verified) -- 07.28.2004

That is a very moving story. As a very private shitter, I find such commode-radery interesting and weird.

The Shit Volcano (3740) -- 07.28.2004

Damn! I'm not generally a shameful shitter, but no one gets to see my eruptions! Guys do some strange shit.

Dave (11689) -- 07.28.2004

I read an interesting quote the other day, appropriate to TSV's statement:

"The invention of private space preceded the invention of voyeurism." -Dieter Roelstraete

Deuce Fan (not verified) -- 07.28.2004

Put a stall between the shitters and you have my college days...eruptions and all. We always went down the hall of the dormitory and asked who had to shit at the time. Good way to unwind...I miss it. Thanks for the trip down memory lane Nigel.

ThreePly (not verified) -- 07.28.2004

Nice post Nigel. I feel like I almost know your family...and their pooping schedules.

My high school buddy and myself took a mean crap in adjoining stalls at school once, talking the whole time. We even had conversations with guys who walked in while we were getting the job done. It was a truly bonding experience. Even moreso when he told me, "Man, you take the greatest shits!" He could tell by the sounds that I was a low-fiber guy. I thought about making a post out of it, but my memory is a bit hazy.

Perhaps you should've packaged and sold your vegetables since they were so good. "Nigel's Veggies - The best vegetables straight from the can."

Rectal Inversion (not verified) -- 07.28.2004

Once when I was about 4, I had to share the toilet (Iwas constipated ) with my mother while she pissed. Also, one of my sisters came in to put eye-makeup on. We only had one bathroom, and it was at that time that I felt weirded out but trapped. Also, my mom taught me to wipe with one piece of square paper folded. Now I use a handful. Anyone else shit with their moms or family memeber, actually share the seat??

Tydirium (516) -- 07.28.2004

please explain the mechanics of two people sitting on one toilet seat. Where you guys front to back, like riding on a horse?

ImperialStormPooper (28) -- 07.28.2004

I am issuing a clarion call for more stories like this one: well-written, introspective, and placing the act of pooping within the greater context of our lives. How many of us can remember our poops from childhood?

Nigel's story makes me wonder: What have we lost in our own pooping experience as a society by privatizing and sanitizing this natural function?What cultural currency did we trade for our porcelain refuges? Does Mankind lose something vital when we no longer have to worry about being splashed by another person's contributions to a full loo?

Great post, Nigel!

Plus, there were no silly fecal/computer analogies. ;-)

Di Uhreea (410) -- 07.28.2004

Wow, wonderful tale of history and bonding. I admire stories like this. It reminded me of the story told by Frank McCourt, "Angela's Ashes" in which you learn to respect what people had to deal with before the conveniences we have now. The aspect of Nigel's mother leaving the family also gives a deeper feel to this story.
Very well written!

daphne (3695) -- 07.28.2004

On many nights out drinking, I never had a problem sharing a one seater bathroom with a girlfriend. One would pee and the other would frou frou or whatever. Not a big deal. We would always end up talking about our dates as we took turns.

I guess this is the same thing, but different! Bonding. I suspect this isn't done very much anymore or talked about because it has alot to do with homophobia and the stigmas our society puts on innocent things.

Suppression and repression suck ass.

And, Nigel, I'm really sorry your mom ran out. That's one thing I could never NEVER do. I love my kids too much.

The Big Wiper (2245) -- 07.28.2004

I would just like to compliment everyone in this thread for their mature, thoughtful comments. When I first joined this site in March of last year, debuting with my 'In Defense Of Open Stalls' article, my intention was to try and convey the social aspects of using toilets without doors but alongside friends. I also mentioned that such conditions are frequently enforced in the military and at summer camps. The reason has more to do with bonding and morale than it does with privacy (or the lack of it).

I also shared one bathroom with my mother, father and brother until I was twelve and used the toilet in front of each of them at one time or another, just as I used toilets at school with friends without shame. I again applaud Nigel for capturing that spirit and Shameless intention in this informative article, and the response from so many poopers is very gratifying to me.

Cornish (not verified) -- 07.28.2004

My father is cornish and my grandmother and aunt/uncle and cousin live there. This story reminds me of visits to the UK when I was a kid in the 70s. No outhouses, but a toilet that was in a stone garage outside the kitchen. Plus i had never seen separate "toilet rooms" and "bath rooms" My grandfather was also a market gardener known for his tomatoes and dahlias.

Crapslikeclockwork (58) -- 07.29.2004

Funnily enough my father told a story the other day about the outhouse my great grandparents had in rural East Anglia when he was a child in the 1930's. The facilities consisted of a wooden plank with a hole in it above a bucket. Nothing else. When the bucket was full my great grandfather would empty it into a hole he had dug in the garden. Next year the site of the hole would be his vegetable patch. Apparently the crops were wonderful. I can't think what Health and Safety would make of that nowadays.
As an aside both my sets of grandparents has toilets outside the back door on the outskirts of London into the 1980's. In the case of my father's family this involved actually walking across the back yard to get there.

Rectal Inversion (not verified) -- 07.29.2004

Ty, it was side by side, my mom's buttocks occupied about 3/4 of the area on top. I was so constipated I insisted I could not be away from the toilet as it felt impending. But it still felt really weird, but as she was quick it was soley mine again after a few minutes.
Aside from poop, another memory is of the 4-hour trips to parents hometown in Anniston, Alabama. Me and my older brother would pee through a hole in the floor of the 1966 Chevy Bel Aire as we drove down the highway. Never got a ticket.

Slim Jim Junkie (not verified) -- 07.29.2004

Separate baths and toilets are (From what I read) common in Japanese houses. It is a tradition that dates back to when even Japan was low tech enough to use outhouses. Heck, even the outhouses are squatters too!

ThreePly (not verified) -- 07.29.2004

I come from a family of 6, and for some reason, when I was a kid, in the early 80's, I hated closing the door behind me when I went to the bathroom. Oh, and we only had one bathroom. I don't know if I didn't like feeling enclosed, alone, or if I wanted to hear the television, but I never closed the door. It wasn't until I was about 5 or 6 that mom and dad got me into the habit of crapping behind closed doors.

Now that I'm married, I've come full circle and closing the door behind me is secondary. Funny enough, my wife's the same way.

fudgepump (not verified) -- 07.29.2004

Ditto on the quality of the responses, TBW. A thoughtful post like Nigel's probably weeds out the mutants and morons by about the third paragraph.

dookie dog (not verified) -- 07.29.2004

I loved this story, bravo! This is great reading, thank you.

Poopstain McLain (30) -- 07.29.2004

Wouldn't it be easier to build if it was one gigantic toilet bowl then several people could poop into at once and only one hole?

Turd Burglar (84) -- 07.31.2004

What kind of soup do you use? I might try that...

Turd Burglar (84) -- 07.31.2004

Oh, yeah...good story...

Craptain Skidd (not verified) -- 08.01.2004

Great story, Nigel.
I've posted, in comments, before that my buddies and I would S.S.W.T.S. Even though it was indoors, we had two toilet rooms seperated by a tub / shower. We would always call out, "S.S.W.T.S." when we had to go. This would prompt a shit partner to join you in the other water closet. This stood for, "Shooting the shit while taking a shit" and it's a goal of mine to have the same set-up in my home some day. There's something to be said about the presence of another in that most intimate time. I loved the nestolgia of your story. I could almost see it all.

I have to ask, did Barry and Robin grow up to sing in a famous disco trio? Just a thought.

Robin (not verified) -- 08.06.2004

I am one of the three toileteers whom Nigel described. Nigel is away on holiday, and neither Barry, Alan or myself has the courage to write this on our own website. I don't think Barry will write anything, but will leave it to me. I think Alan DOES intend to write something.

Anyway, here goes. (I'm using the website of Sitting Wiper. We only got to know him through Alan, but he has become a good friend to all of us, even though we are old enough to be his dad. Nigel certainly has a way with words - he was an avid reader when younger.

But remember that Barry and I grew up assuming that sitting on the toilet with someone else was the norm. Barry says sitting on the toilet on his tod at university gave him withdrawal symptoms, an expression we were too naive to know in those days.

My gran had an outdoor WC (which sometimes I had to be reminded to flush), with a plastic black seat, which I knew to my cost, when I went to stay overnight. Believe you me, I would rather sit my bare bottom on the warm wooden seat which Nigel illustrated.

As Nigel says, I was stopped using a potty except in bad weather, about the age of three, and Barry used to take me with him and Tony, the boy who went in the army.

To begin with I didn't like it, but Barry was firm, and was allowed to give me a slap if I acted in an obstreperous manner. Even at the age of 8, he knew how to make it sting, especially when my posterior was bare anyway. Needless to say, I soon realised that I couldn't win.

When Nigel came to live next door, I apparently soon got used to him, and perhaps that was because this was a good way of bonding. I'm told I used to give a running commentary, eg telling them every time 'I've done another piece. How many have you done Barry? How many have you done Nigel? Barry - have you finished? Nigel - have you finished?' Barry used to tell me to get on with what I was doing. They hadn't got time to hang around - they had to go to school. Barry looked after my toileting because our dad was a postman, who had to get off very early in the morning.

When I was about four and a half years old, it was time for me to learn bottom wiping, and the boys taught me that on Saturdays and Sundays, when they hadn't got to go to school. But for a long time Barry didn't let me wipe myself until he had checked that I had done enough. He would lift up one of my cheeks to look down inside.

When I was about 7, we had the indoor WC which I normally used, but the older boys still liked to go outside.

As Nigel said, if one of the two older boys was away, I DID

Robin (not verified) -- 08.06.2004

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sometimes join the one who was at home.

It was an experience that looking back, I would not have missed.

It made me close to my brother, and also to Nigel.

Somebody on this site used the abbreviation S.S.W.T.S.

One I clearly remember was one the leaders used at Boys' Brigade Camp. We were made to keep up normal standards of cleanliness, and before breakfast we had to wash down to the waste in bowls of water. After breakfast it was TTD - teeth (cleaning) and trousers down.

The toilet, such as it was, was in a makeshift tent, with a trench, with a wooden toilet seat attached to poles. There was an old cocoa-tin with toilet paper, and a pile of soil and a shovel to cover up what we had done, and the paper also.

We were not very old, and we were advised to go in pairs, so that we could steady each other as we got on and off the seat.

Those like myself who had been brought up in primitive conditions thought nothing of it. But now days there are strict rules and regulations about facilities, especially with children.

I didn't mind having to rough it sometimes.

Robin (not verified) -- 08.06.2004

Our toilet experience when we were young had a good effect on our general health:

1) Being forced to go at set times meant that we became very regular. None of us ever remember being constipated or having bowel problems.

2) East Anglian east winds blowing from the sea meant we had to brave the elements at times when we would have preferred not to. I think that gave us a hardiness. All of us went on to do well at university and in our subsequent careers. But we have never forgotten our rustic origins.

Barry (not verified) -- 08.08.2004

Baby Brother Robin (aged 64) thought I would not dare to respond to Nigel’s letter - well, I have, so there.

I kept all my parents' papers when they died, and I see that our indoor loos and bathrooms were put in during 1950, after we had bought our houses. By then I was 14, and Nigel 13, and Robin was 9. Poor Robin by then was finding it a bit difficult on the child's seat, but as we HAD to have the grown-up ones, he had no option. He found he was rather cramped, but sat on the small one to begin with, did as much as he could. When either Nigel or I had finished ‘dumping’, Robin would sit on the vacated toilet so that he could push properly. The one who had got up off the adult toilet would then sit on Robin’s, to wipe his bottom. A bit restricted, but we managed to get ourselves clean.

From the picture which Nigel supplied, you may realise something else. It was EASIER if I had finished first, so that Robin and I could change places. If Nigel had finished first, the two had further to travel, and had to waddle over with their trousers down. We thought nothing of that at the time, but have laughed about it since. On most occasions I think Robin used mine. Nigel’s bowels and mine were usually in tandem with each other. You have be told about our vegetables. There was no messing! We had to eat our greens, had plenty of free fruit such as apples. In our early childhood, sweets and chocolate were rationed. There was no McDonald’s rubbish, so our bowels were, and still are, very good.

As you have been told, after the inside renovations were completed, Robin sat inside, but Nigel and I continued to sit in the outhouse. We were eggheads, and we liked to discuss things to do with school. Our families were poor, and we couldn't afford to go into the town, and we were very rustic and naive about the ways of the world.

One morning, early in 1953, around the time of the East Coast floods tragedies, the weather was very rough. We SHOULD have sat inside, but didn't. Our intelligence wasn't always matched by our common sense.

We went outside in our overcoats, which we took off and laid them on top of what we always called "Robin's toilet". We were really shivering, and pulled our trousers down only enough to cover our bottoms, instead of to our ankles - which I have always found better.

After finishing, and making our way for the train in atrocious weather, I told Nigel that I needed to go again. Fortunately the train was going to be a quarter of an hour late, so I decided to go into the men's toilets at the station. I was pretty desperate, and would not have made it to school, and the trains had no corridors with toilets.

So Nigel held my satchel while I got enthroned (the throne was an important word in 1953, the year of the queen's coronation). When I had finished, I realised to my horror that there was no paper. I shouted 'Nidge - no paper.' He looked in the other cubicle, and there was none there either.

There was one emergency solution. We were issued with 'rough note books' at the grammar school. As I was now in the lower sixth form, there was no likelihood of pages being checked, to see if any had been ripped out. (Paper was short, and we were told not to waste it. Up to the fourth form, boys had to number the pages, and when they went for a new one, form-masters could make a spot check to see if any pages had been ripped out. There was the threat of a wallop with the gym-slipper for every page missing. I only remember it happening to one boy - it was a warning to everybody. How I would have explained my missing pages, I do not know).

I told Nigel to get out my rough book, which he did. There were no locks on the door anyway, so he came in and handed me my rough-book. I ripped out some double pages from the middle, folded them and tore them in half. I soon realised that it was rough paper in more senses than one! I was a bit sore for the rest of the day. After that, we learned some lessons:

(a) Always pull your trousers down to your ankles, and if it is cold, put your overcoat round your knees.

(b) If the weather is really bad, use the inside toilet.

(c) Always carry some toilet paper with you.

All of us did well at university and in our subsequent careers. But we think that our relatively poor childhoods, where our parents, and Nigel's dad, made sacrifices for us, made us want to do well in our studies. We had no money for nights out in town. Our main leisure time was spent at the local Methodist church.

But after our comfortable working lives and now enjoyable retirement, we try not to forget our roots. Our grandchildren, with their own toilets and showers, have no idea. But we try to encourage them to think about poor conditions, especially with regard to clean water and sanitation, in the third world.

Nigel has told you how my nephew Martin (Robin’s boy) took young Alan, Nigel’s own son, to use the outside toilet when both stayed at their respective grandparents next door to each other.

I remember Martin telling us that when he was at university, a group of them went to stay at a very primitive cottage in the English Lake District. There was only oil lighting, and the toilet was even worse than ours in one respect. There was a one-hole plank for the boys, and underneath was a bucket with chemical toilet liquid inside. There was a notice inside ‘Please do not kick the bucket’ - an English expression for dying! The bucket was loose, underneath the hole, and if you moved your feet around while you were sitting, you were likely to kick it out of position, so that it would not be directly under your bottom, with disastrous results which I need not go into. By then most of the students were shocked at these toilet arrangements. But Martin, even though his home arrangements were modern, had experienced more primitive conditions at his grandparents and at church camps.

There were chores to be done every day - this bucket had to be emptied. Martin volunteered to do this, and as a reward he got out of more onerous duties.

Now that some of us are reaching our dotage, these stories from our past need to be told before they are lost forever.

Robin (not verified) -- 08.08.2004

Barry, big brother - I thought you would be too aloof to write, but well done. You describe something which I was never told. I was at the grammar school when the rough book was used as you describe. But I suspect that was during the time when I had bad bronchitis and had to go into hospital. That was early in 1953. Every time someone made me laugh, it made me cough, so you held back on funny stories.

Anyway, for the readers, I remember something else to do with that time. Before we had our indoor toilet facilities, our mother had a commode which was kept in a small room under the stairs, which we were not allowed to use. The commode was dusted out, and put into my bedroom when I was poorly. And now to something else which my two buddies did for me. Every morning before school, Barry got me out of bed to sit me on the commode. Sometimes I was too weak pull my pyjamas down or to wipe myself, and he did that - good old Nigel also came in sometimes to take his turn. Then they would empty the commode and rinse it out. When we did something for each other like that, we never felt any loss of dignity. We didn’t want our mum to deal with that side of our life at the age we were. It was either during that time at home, or when I was in hospital that the rough book incident at the railway station took place.

When Barry was in his first year at university, I returned the favour for Nigel. He developed a severe chest infection when he was in his last year before A-levels, and my dad and I carried the commode up to HIS bedroom. Each morning before school, I would gather up my satchel, and say ‘Bye mum, going to see to Nigel'. She would say ‘OK, give him my love’ (and she would go and see him later - his dad would be at work.) He wasn’t as bad as I had been a few years before, and didn’t need to go into hospital. Uncle Ted (as we called Nigel’s dad) left the house for the school where he taught when I arrived, to get his train in the other direction. I helped Nigel onto the commode, and, to save time, went to sit on their toilet to attend to my own personal needs. I asked him, in return for when I was little and when I was ill, if he would let me wipe his bum. He was a bit surprised, and said I would have to wash my hands again. I said that that might be quicker than getting a bowl to wash his hands. I said that I would really like to do it for him, and he said he couldn't deny me. Then after emptying the contraption and rinsing it out, and flushing the loo, I washed my hands again, and then picked up his homework to be marked, and went for my train. (His grandparents took it in turns to look after him in the daytime.)

The three of us, Nigel, Barry and myself, were not really close to other boys of our age. The other boys in our forms at school also lived miles away, and it wasn’t until we were older that we were allowed to go on our bikes to their houses. We had some friends at the Methodist church, but we were not as close to them as to each other.

Dave, I’ve traced the article by Dieter Roelstraete about voyeurism and private space, called ‘Back to the Toilet’. Working through that article would be a good intellectual exercise. Nigel’s son Alan and his friend ‘Sitting Wiper’ are quite hot on modern philosophy and modern theology. I wonder what they would think of it. I hadn’t realised how intellectual the human bottom is.

It has never occurred to me that we were voyeuristic. Our small group would only be seen sitting with our trousers round our ankles by those we trusted. Sometimes of course it was necessary when abroad, roughing it as students, when particularly in Southern Europe, many toilets were not private and we had no option but to use them.

Nigel (12) -- 08.09.2004

Little did I expect such a good response to my article. Thanks to so many people for their warm appreciation, especially over the disappearance of my mother. That type of thing happened to many children in the post-war years. In my case what was unusual was that my father had been at home regularly, unlike service men who were abroad for several years.

It is something which I managed to get over, because of the love and support of my dad, my grandparents on both sides, and of course my two friends next door and their parents. As you get older, you remember details of your childhood very well. The trauma of my childhood has come back to me, especially this year when my dad died, but also the people who helped me in my childhood. My grandparents and the parents of Barry and Robin are dead now, but we have over the years kept up our friendship, even though we live some distance from each other. We give one another a huge hug when we meet.

Robin says he doesn't remember the incident with the school rough note book at the station. I think that probably was when he was in hospital. But one thing I do remember - his illness made Barry and myself decide that in bad weather would 'sit' inside. He was very ill, and we wondered if we might lose him.

It's true that he and I were very close during Barry's first year at university. The next year I went to university, and Robin was on his own. This meant he had to make more effort to find friends of his own age, which in fact he did.

But during that illness of mine when I was in the upper 6th form, Robin was superb. Maybe a sign of a true friend is someone who can wipe your bottom for you without you feeling any loss of dignity.

The Holy Shitter (156) -- 08.10.2004

Could this possibly be a longer post? Maybe we should have these as stories? The posting font is much harder to read than the story font...

Alan (not verified) -- 08.11.2004

On Sitting Wiper's website - coward, you see - I think SW, my dad (Nigel), Barry and Robin have dealt with the subject well. When I took my pals to stay with my Granddad, SW was the only one prepared to join me in that daily morning ritual. Things like that with people you feel at ease with really do cement relationships. That was in the eighties - several years later my granddad sold the house to live near to us. When I have some time I want to look at the intellectual articles in 'PoopReport'. Have the trends in private toileting been caused by, or contributed to, our selfish society? The jury is still out on that one.

Sitting Wiper (not verified) -- 08.13.2004

My comments in reply to 'Clothes Encounters Of The Turd Kind' created a huge amount of verbal diarrhoea - I admit I have attacks of this disease, especially on this website.

But the details supplied by Alan's dad Nigel and his friends Barry and Robin take us back nearly 60 years. Many of the details of course I didn't know - it's not one of the things you normally talk about in the midst of an agenda-filled life. But obviously it has triggered off some memories which ought to be preserved.

Bathing in a tin bath, washing your hair once a year, having to watch that oil lamps and candles didn't catch fire - how lucky we all are.

When I went with Alan at his granddads, we used that outside flushless toilet for a week, but we didn't HAVE to. There was an inside one, which we used to empty our bladders. And there was a shower, which we used every morning, including daily washing of our hair.

But there are still millions in the world with even less hygienic facilities than the ones which Nigel, Barry and Robin used on a daily basis.

Bare Cheek Jon (aged 13) (not verified) -- 08.17.2004

What a superb story from Nigel, Barry and Robin. They are old enough to be my grandparents, and I suppose I ought to call them Mr or Uncle (the way I have been brought up). I liked the picture of the 3-seater (or 2 and a half seater). There was in those days a belief that boys didn't wash themselves properly. With facilities as people had in some houses, how could they?

The next generation, Sitting Wiper and Alan, when they used that toilet together they DID have their showers in the house.

I showed this to my friend Dominic. We would LOVE the experience of sitting side by side on a two-seater. I don't know whether we would like emptying the toilet, but it's all a fact of life.

Some schools take their children to history centres where they can experience life in days gone by. I imagine that this sort of toilet experience would be disallowed, though.

I could write a lot more about the answers to Nigel's article, but this is enough for now.

Bare-Cheek Jon (not verified) -- 08.17.2004

Does anybody feel a sense of well being after they have evacuated their bowels? This morning I had that feeling.

After my breakfast of cereal and fruit and tea, I cleaned my teeth and thought I would look at 'PoopReport'. I had carrots and peas as part of my dinner last night, and, together with my breakfast I knew I would have no straining problems - I rarely do.

But Nigel's article and the other comments seemed to act as lubrication. Turning the computer off, I started undoing my trousers as I made for the bathroom. (I was the only one in the house, so it didn't matter.) PoopReport certainly acted like vaseline they put on my bottom when I was tiny, to help it out. What I produced was solid, but slipped out with no effort. There was a lot of it, too. Plop, plop, ploppety plop. It was so enjoyable. Carrots always work wonders for me. No smell.

A good way to start the day. On top of the world.

Russ (not verified) -- 05.16.2005

WOW! What a story! I hate responding to this being on the bottom of the list but maybe someone will read it. As different as it may sound I WISH I would've had a history like that. I grew up in repressed America. I wish I had a brother or for that matter friends who could share such a moment of bonding. I feel like I missed out. I can sort of feel what it would be like to share a moment like this. What a great story!!

Robin (not verified) -- 05.27.2005

Nigel, Barry and I have just had a reunion, partly in memory of Nigel's Dad who died last year. We typed in reminiscences on my computer. We are now in our sixties and don't want our stories to be lost, before our memories deteriorate. (In one or two instances where we couldn't establish whose memory was correct, we preserved different versions.)

At the outset, may I say that we were amazed at the response to Nigel's article.

It was a different age - when children obeyed their older siblings virtually as much as they parents. I mentioned earlier a brotherly slap I had received.

This reminded Nigel of a story which Barry had forgotten, but which came back to him when his memory was jogged. (I hadn't forgotten it!)

From the photograph Nigel provided similar to our 3-seater loo, you will gather that I sat on Barry’s immediate left. He was right-handed, and as I was sitting much lower than he was, if I was naughty said 'I can't do it', he could lean over with his left hand and given me a tap on the portion of my bare flesh above the seat. His left hand didn’t hurt as much as his right, but usually the momentary sting was enough to make me get on with it.

On one occasion when I was particularly obstreperous, Barry leaned over and picked me up and put me across his knee, and delivered two smarting slaps on the same spot on each of my buttocks. It hurt, but worked. Nigel maintains that while he was administering my punishment, Barry's own bowels were in motion simultaneously. He could hear the thuds in the hole underneath Barry's bottom. (As there was no water in the toilet, the sound was of thuds, not plops.) Barry maintained that he couldn't have heard that above his slaps and my yells, but Barry's droppings DID make quite a sound, I can remember.

Nigel had a job keeping a straight face, and the two of them laughed all the way to school.

This must sound a group of scatological perverts, and the details of Barry's bowel movements are not being recorded in this story from our childhood.

There are many other incidents which we are writing down. Overall, it was a happy childhood, and even Nigel, after the unhappy circumstances of his parents' break-up, says he looks back on it with warmth.

GottaGoGirl (2616) -- 07.28.2006

This is a whole history lesson about how life used to be for SO long. We haven't had the "mod cons" very long at all, in the grand scheme of things. This was a great read!

Miss Simone Scat (570) -- 07.26.2007

I am so glad I found this. What an interesting family and friends. Very well written.
Producing waste since 1967

future_pilot_simon (19) (not verified) -- 02.11.2008

Although this story is old, come July it will be four years since it was posted, it is a great one. I remember back in Israel when I was 6 years old, near our school bus stop a 5+2 half seats (with half seats I mean the low seats. communal crapper had been set up, orgininally for the bungalow residents who didn't have flushing loos.

An attempt was made to shut the crapper after they were in place, however the older kids and us made an uproar, so it continued right up to about 2 years back, when due to one reason or another there were only 2 kids left in the village.Although all homes received flushing loos over the time, since especially during the summer time it would be brighht really early and most of our parents worked in the avocado plantages with no-one being at home except to quickly wake you up and make sure clothes were available, We, the school, children, would get together on morning business sort of 20 minutes prior to the arrival of the school bus.

It took me some time to get used to it, but soon it would become an essential part of morning routine

During the beginning time, when we were almost a dozen to take the bus each morning, there weren't always enough seats for everyone, especially seeing as our initial half-seat users like Robin struggled with the height, so things had to be organised into 2 or three sessions, so during that time you'd turnup about 15 minutes earlier than usual. This also has its advantages, so, if you were quick enough school-related stuff could be checked and last minute homeworks could be completed, as I remember vividly from at least a few occasions.

We however were fortunate enough always to have looroll provided, so no embarraassing moment and notebook pages used for other purposes, also there was the opportunity to wash hands at the nearby office.

Over time we had newcomers, and they quickly joined forces and took the places of those going on to high-school who'd be taking the earlier bus. They quickly learned not only to get themselves clean but also how to help those going to nursery who were still struggling or couldn't do it yet.

During winter time if it was too cold, we would do away with the ritual, but we did it whenever possible.

I never took a picture of it, now sadly it is demolished, but it looked like the one above, just longer.

But each time I have visited the village and walked past, I fondly remember the mornings and I can't deny it: I miss it!

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