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Posted 03.22.2004 by Crapola (301)
Today I had an interesting conversation with a close friend of mine. She's Jewish. She's a Holocaust survivor. She has a great sense of humor. But she is not religious at all. My friend mentioned that one of her girlfriends (also not religious) had a new boyfriend. And the new boyfriend is a very religious Orthodox Jewish guy. So, because of her new boyfriend's influence, her friend has totally changed. Her friend now observes the Sabbath to the letter with her boyfriend. "She even tears the sheets of toilet paper before sundown on Friday night!" my friend exclaimed.

What???

My friend explained that Orthodox Jewish people observe a law that forbids them to cut or tear paper in any way on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is from sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. So: they cannot tear toilet paper for twenty-four hours!

She further explained that many religious Jewish people tear toilet paper into ready-to-wipe sheets before sundown on Friday, and place the sheets "on stand-by" in the bathroom.

As a PoopReporter, I had to ask: what if someone got the runs on the Sabbath and the pre-made stockpile of toilet paper was exhausted with one or two wild poops? My friend said she had no idea what they would do for more toilet paper.

Then I wondered further. How do Orthodox Jewish families estimate how much toilet paper needs to be torn and made ready for family pooping (and peeing, for the females) for twenty-four hours? Is there a mathematical formula? I've Googled and found no answers to these arcane queries. I guess I'd have to ask an Orthodox Rabbi... one who'd be willing to entertain this question.

Interestingly, Googling revealed that in Israel, one can buy toilet paper in individual sheets for Sabbath use. I imagine it would be like buying a pack of regular TP, but already cut into serving size. I also saw advice to use a box of facial tissues like Kleenex for wiping, because the tissues are pre-cut. That way, no Sabbath laws would be broken.

-- Crapola, a lapsed Catholic

P.S. In the Catholic grammar school I attended, the toilet paper was the kind where you pulled little folded sheets out of a rectangular dispenser hanging on the stall wall. Maybe this kind of toilet paper would work for Orthodox Jews, too! Maybe a decorative container/dispenser that would hold a whole case of the sheets -- enough to deal with any twenty-four hour onslaught. Bye -- I'm off to trademark the idea!


Editor's Note: I found this explanation of Orthodox Sabbath beliefs on Beliefnet:

"It is widely known that "work" is forbidden on Shabbat, but as with so much of Jewish law, the truth is more nuanced than that. Jewish law books lay out 39 tasks that are forbidden on Shabbat, from lighting a fire to using a hammer to spending money. From there, the many restrictions of Shabbat are derived, by analogy and comparison. In modern times, rabbis have used, for instance, the prohibition against lighting a fire to outlaw electricity. They have also restricted driving on Shabbat.

"The intention is to create a day of peace, removed from the worries of everyday life, when Jews can focus on their religious lives, their families, and their communities. Jews typically keep Shabbat by praying in synagogue Friday night and Saturday morning (many attend Saturday afternoon and evening services as well) and eating large, traditional meals with friends and family."
-- from Beliefnet

doniker (1551) -- 03.22.2004

I can't understand how these people let there religion control there life. I believe as long as you believe in God you will be saved.

At my old job I was in charge of printing out and distributing airline tickets to employees who were travelling. This was back in the days wheh you needed a hard copy ticket to get on the plane; now you only need a comfirmation number or whatever.

This Jewish guy at work was going on a business trip on a Monday morning and his tickets didn't get to me until 5:00 the Friday night before. The Jewish guy had already left the office to get home by sundown.
This guy broke Sabbath to come in the office over the weekend to pick up the tickets that I left in his mailbox and then he called my boss to get me in trouble.

I respect his beliefs but don't get me involved.

fistula (not verified) -- 03.22.2004

That could be really problematic if you ran into an unexpected case of the runs. I'm sure that there are Talmud scholars who've pondered that drippy dilemma.

However, I have an answer: wet wipes; no tearing needed.

The Shit Volcano (3817) -- 03.22.2004

BTW, don't take my statement the wrong way. If you follow a religion I don't think you're weird or something. It's cool.

The Shit Volcano (3817) -- 03.22.2004

Religion makes you do weird things. Just read the Ayotollah's instructions on pooping. This is the exact reason I don't follow a religion.

Anyway, for those who do, may I suggest the Kleenex idea mentioned above. The "ballots for Bush", single sheet out of the container toilet paper also sounded like a good idea. There's always a butt sink, too. If all else fails, sit on the bathroom counter and stick your ass in the regular sink and let it fly.

Di Uhreea (410) -- 03.22.2004

Does relaxing while drinking beer on Friday night (no fire, lots of family) and relaxing and nursing a hang-over Saturday count as "no work"?

Dave (11977) -- 03.22.2004

I have two guesses as to how the Orthodox spiritual life reconciles with the trumpeting trouser shofar. First is that I was able to find some references to "emergencies" -- basically, an Orthodox Jew is given the leeway to weigh his or her faith against the situation at hand to decide if it's OK to "work" on the Sabbath. The biblical example is if your ox is trapped in a ditch -- if you leave the ox for 24 hours, it may die, so it's OK to rescue it. Presumably, the metaphor extends to other, browner ditches.

Secondly: since this is a regluar Friday occurence, perhaps the Orthodox Jewish diet has evolved to be free of shit-emergency-causing ingredients. I'm not too familiar with what Orthodox Jews may eat, but I'm guessing they avoid curry vindaloo on Friday nights.

Slim Jim Junkie (not verified) -- 03.22.2004

Now you understand why I am so happy to be an Atheist. It seems so many religions attach unneeded BS.

What ever happened to "Be awesome to each other" and other meaningful beliefs like that? It seems religion is powered by keeping people afraid and in the dark.

Jack Scat (81) -- 03.22.2004

Taking into account the rather weak structural integrity of toilet paper, what if you wiped a little too hard and ended up tearing the pre-torn-so-as-to-not-anger-God shit ticket with your chode?
Or is it simply the intentional tearing of paper that is forbidden?

Poonurse (1313) -- 03.23.2004

Toilet paper is perforated, so perhaps it really shouldn't be considered "tearing of paper"?

Possibly, they could use Kleenex in a box conveniently located next to the toilet on the Sabbath. Would pulling it out of the box be considered work?

Shorty Brown Eye (not verified) -- 03.25.2004

Hi! I love this site! Doniker, I'm so sorry that happened to you. What that man did was disgusting! As a Jewish person myself, I am appalled! Please accept my apology on behalf of this man. If you are in a poop epidemic situation that occurs on Shabbes, you are allowed to rip more paper if you run out and/or if you can't find someone who is not Jewish to buy it for you, it's okay to go and buy more.

In our religion it states that if there is an emergency of any kind, you are allowed to break the law such as, driving someone to the hospital, giving food or drink to someone who is sick on a fast day and most importantly buying more toilet paper to weather the inside shit storm!

I hope I didn't go on too much.

Dave_J (not verified) -- 03.25.2004

TSV- I applaud your comments. While I was raised in a fairly strict catholic family, I've since redesigned my faith. It's my earnest belief that if we all treat each other as we want to be treated, that religion would have no bearing. What the world needs is faith, not religion. I have faith in the flapper-valve of my toilet. I have faith in the 2-ply strength of my Charmin. I, for one, seek tangible evidence of a supreme being in everything I see/do. Screw church...and no, I'm really not as bad as I made myself out to be. Live and let live.

schit for brains (not verified) -- 03.25.2004

Shit Happens!

Sitting Wiper (not verified) -- 03.25.2004

The Essenes, one of the strictest of Jewish sects, are said to have organised their lives so that they wouldn't have to 'dump' on the Sabbath. Rather detrimental to one's long-term health, one feels.

On Sunday mornings before going to church, my two small boys and I wipe our bottoms just the same as any other day.

HoofArted (14) -- 03.30.2004

One night I happened acrossed a patent worthy idea, which was toilet paper like dispensible wet wipes. I had an idea for the dispenser and all (would fit like a normal toilet paper roll). I had an idea of who to sell this great idea to and all so I headed out to the patent office website with the intention of getting a patent. Wouldnt you know some asshole had already had the idea and had patented it, and the idea was bought by the very company I had in mind! Its still a good idea, just mad Im not gonna get rich over it. Orthodox Jewish shitters and others, a roll of moist towlettes is on its way......

PooperGal (not verified) -- 04.01.2004

Maybe the Orthodox Jews take the Sabbath thing just a bit too far. IMO, it's neurosis disguised as religious piety.

If you read their Torah (Old Testament), there is a specific set of instructions about healthy pooping, and it doesn't say a damn thing about not being able to do it on the Sabbath. Cleanliness was considered next to godliness (The Holiness Code, in fact), and that overrides any restrictions on "work" on the Sabbath day.

According to the Holiness Code in the OT, you're supposed to leave your encampment (in modern environs, that could mean the livingroom or bedroom) and go out into the wilderness (e.g. the bathroom or an outhouse) and do your business there.

In fact, the instructions say to take a sharp spike or stick and dig a hole, deposit your turd, and cover it with soil, then return to the encampment. The modern equivalent means, flush the toilet and wash your hands.

It all boils down to common sense.

Stinky (not verified) -- 04.04.2004

Hire a Shabbat Goy. See the Gore-Leiberman campaign coverage if you need a definition.

daphne (4391) -- 04.08.2004

So, you can pull one piece of pre-cut toilet paper out of a dispenser over and over and over again, but it's not seen as work, yet tearing one good, long piece of tp is?
Oy ve.

cdg (not verified) -- 04.12.2004

Convert to another religion and dont worry about it

Crapola (301) -- 04.14.2004

Hi Stinky and all,

I'm glad you were interested in my Poop Report, and added your comments! :-)

I've been a Shabbas goy. I come from a long line of them - my Grandmother, my Mom, my Aunt. We happened to live near Orthodox Jewish people, but we are Catholic. So our Jewish neighbors asked us to serve as Shabbas Goys.

A Shabbas Goy is a non-Jewish person hired by an Orthodox Jewish person or family to do things that the Jews are forbidden to do on their Sabbath (Shabbat). Goy = Gentile, btw.

So, we've lit stoves, turned light switches on and off, pressed elevator buttons, opened gift-wrapped presents...

We never have had to tear toilet paper, run to the store for extra toilet paper, or wipe anyone's butt, thank goodness!

Slim Jim (not verified) -- 04.15.2004

I am glad that Atheist are sooooooo stupid and Dumb LOL

gengengen (not verified) -- 05.28.2004

would this mean they would not be able to open packaging on sabbat? whatb if they had to use a public throne?

Grobot (not verified) -- 06.07.2004

Isn't wiping your arse technically working? Why do these idiots stop at pre-torn paper? Go all the way! Take a dump and walk proudly away from the mess, sans wiping. God will know you're coming his way.Don't stop there. Forget about washing your hands! Opening the faucet is work!

Mark (86) -- 12.24.2004

Without getting into the details too much, it would simplify everyone's understanding, if they care to understand, instead of judge, you've got to understand how Jewish law defines work, for Sabbath purposes. The work that is prohibited, as scriptually derived, are those that were involved in the building of the tabernacle. One of those 39 categories of labor is tearing. And yes, we've long since thought of the tissue boxes and the old time elementary school pre-cut squares. And yes, if you run out, you can tear more. Sheesh, a guy can't go online for anonymous help with a skid mark problem without getting dragged into a religious argument.

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 03.22.2006

I read a book about a community of Chassidim, and wondered about a few things; here's an informative website:

http://shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/index.html

Bunghole In the... (432) -- 03.22.2006

Sitting Wiper (not verified) -- 03.24.2004 writes: The Essenes, one of the strictest of Jewish sects, are said to have organised their lives so that they wouldn't have to 'dump' on the Sabbath. Rather detrimental to one's long-term health, one feels."

I wonder if their ritualistic preparations for Sabbath included high-colonics and fasting? Interesting stuff.


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"Odor in the court! The judge is eating beans--his wife is in the bathtub counting submarines." Author Unknown

ChiliKahKah (954) -- 04.01.2009

The ultimate Jewish dilemma might be a roll of half priced TP on the Sabbath.

moshe rabeynu (not verified) -- 04.15.2009

AN UPDATED TREATISE ON THE NEED FOR A SEMITIC MODERN MASTURBATION MENTALITY

By Rebbe Moshe “hung so lo“ Rabeynu, March 23, 2009
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CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS MUST BE INCULCATED AS TO THE BENEFITS OF MASTURBATION IN THE ATTAINMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF A HEALTHY MIND AND A HEALTHY BODY! PENT UP SEXUAL FRUSTRATION IN CHILDREN HAS NEVER BEEN HONESTLY AND ADEQUATELY DISCUSSED AND DEALT WITH IN JEWISH DISCOURSE AND DOCTRINE. MODERN LIFESTYLES AFFORD INDIVIDUALS THE PRIVACY AND HYGIENIC FACILITIES NECESSARY TO MASTURBATE IN A PRIVATE, DIGNIFIED AND SANITARY MANNER. ONE CAN WELL UNDERSTAND THE IRE THAT WAS AROUSED BY MASTURBATING INDIVIDUALS FOUR THOUSAND YEARS AGO WHEN AN ENTIRE LARGE FAMILY LIVED TOGETHER IN A TENT IN AN ARID LOCATION. NOBODY WANTED TO HAVE A WAD OF FLYING JISSUM HIT HIM IN THE EYE OR LAND IN HIS HUMUS. WATER WAS SCARCE AND ONE HAD TO WALK , SOMETIMES LONG DISTANCES, TO THE WELL TO GET IT, IF IT WAS AVAILABLE AT ALL. UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IT WAS A CHOICE OF WATER FOR DRINKING OR WATER FOR WASHING EJACULATE OFF OF ONE’S HANDS. THIS IS WHY THE EARLY SAGES WERE SO VOCIFEROUS IN THEIR CONDEMNATION OF MASTURBATION. WE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A HORNY BUNCH AND, IF THERE WEREN'T THESE SEVERE STRICTURES AGAINST MASTURBATION AT THAT TIME, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN ERRANT CUMSTAINS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THE SMELL OF FRESHLY RELEASED JISSUM WOULD HAVE WAFTED FAR AND WIDE, EVEN WITHIN THE HALLOWED HALLWAYS OF THE SACRED TEMPLE ITSELF. TIMES HAVE CHANGED. IF PARENTS TODAY STRESS THE BENEFITS OF MASTURBATION TO THEIR CHILDREN, THEY WILL HELP LESSEN THE OCCURRENCE OF STDs, AND UNPLANNED PREGNANCIES. SCHOLARSHIP LEVELS WOULD INCREASE DRAMATICALLY WITH THE RELEASE OF PENT UP ADOLESCENT EJACULATORY TENSION. .WHAT PARENT HASN’T FRETTED AND WORRIED OVER THE MOODINESS AND SURLINESS OF HIS ADOLESCENT OFFSPRING? THERE IS REALLY NO MYSTERY AS TO WHY THE LITTLE BASTARDS ARE ACTING OUT SO WILDLY. THEIR HORMONES ARE CAUSING THEM HIGH LEVELS OF DISCOMFORT AND FRUSTRATION. INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM MASTURBATE FURTIVELY UNDER THE BEDCOVERS IN A NIGHTLY GUILT- RIDDEN FRENZY OF PENT-UP SEXUAL DESIRE, THEY SHOULD BE GUIDED TO A CIVILIZED AND GUILT-FREE MASTURBATORY REGIMEN. IF NECESSARY, PARENTS SHOULD SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN AS TO THE PROPER METHODOLOGY FOR THIS ACTIVITY AND FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE MASTURBATING REGULARLY AT AN OPTIMUM FREQUENCY. KEEPING A MASTURBATION DIARY COULD BE A VERY USEFUL TOOL IN MAINTAINING THE PROPER SCHEDULE. EVERY PARENT SHOULD ASK HIS CHILDREN ON A DAILY BASIS, "DID YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND MASTURBATE TODAY?" OH, OF COURSE, THE CHABADNIKS AND THE FRUMNIKS AND THE HAREDINIKS WILL YELL OUT, "BUT RAMBAM SAID THIS, AND RASHI SAID THAT AND RABBI AKIVA SAID THIS, AND THAT, ABOUT THE EVILS OF MASTURBATION." PROBABLY ALL THREE OF THEM WERE MASTURBATING WHILE THEY WERE WRITING THESE STRICTURES, ANOTHER CASE OF "DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO". WE MUST NOT CONTINUE TO LET OTHERS DO OUR THINKING FOR US UNDER THE GUISE OF DIVINE REVELATION AND RELIGIOUS EXPERTISE. WE CANNOT LET BACKWARD LOOKING ZEALOTS WITH THEIR ARCHAIC, OUTDATED AND ANACHRONISTIC MORALISTIC MISCONCEPTIONS CAST THEIR PALL OVER THE HEALTH-CONSCIOUS MASTURBATORS OF THE WORLD. SHALOM AND ZEI GEZUNT!

Rabbi Rabeynu is available for additional advice and discussion on HTTP://theyeshivabucher.blogspot.com

ChiefThunderbutt (2712) -- 04.15.2009

Interesting stuff moshe rabeynu.....I checked out the blogspot you mentioned and will probably check in periodically to see what's going on.

I had a Jewish roommate when I was in the service who said he was not required to obey the dietary restrictions while serving in the military. He gobbled ham sandwiches and rashers of bacon like there was no tomorrow.


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Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

ChiliKahKah (954) -- 04.15.2009

Could you just use kosher corn cobs instead ?

Bilgepump (2747) -- 04.15.2009

I hate generalizing, but are all Jews so FUCKING LOUD??!?!?


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The proper order is kiss me, then go smell the other dog or cat's butt. I cannot stress this enough.

Occam's Shovel (not verified) -- 04.16.2009

So what you're saying is:

1. Woman's community thinks that if you obsess enough about wiping your ass, God will be your special buddy.
2. God lets woman be caged, starved, tortured and nearly killed for controversial ass-wiping habits.
3. Woman finally gains freedom to get on with her life.
4. Boyfriend says "Don't you miss obsessing over how to wipe your ass on the Sabbath? It's a beautiful part of our heritage and God will be your special buddy."
5. Woman somehow agrees to rip neither TP, nor her boyfriend a new one.

Aww. It's one of those bullshit-meets-chickenshit stories that make me so very proud I'm no longer a Jew. And so ashamed I ever was one.

daphne (4391) -- 04.16.2009

After that comment I bet there are quite a few jews who are proud that you're no longer one, too.


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White Men Can Dump (1) -- 05.26.2009

I'm sure they just use tissues!

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