I would have kicked the kid in the face then beat the shit out of the mother. You have a right to expect total privacy on the crapper.

That is not cool. I would be upset too, if I was taking a dump and some little girl was in the men's room, and saw me shitting. I have a daughter, and when she is potty trained, and I have to take her in to the men's room with me, so she could go, I will be supervising her. Anyway, I would only take her into the men's room with me if my wife was not around to take her to the ladies' room.

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In search of the ever evasive BM

If the boy could go alone he should have
gone to the men's room. CEP I believe most
people would find the measures you suggested slightly draconian.

Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

I would of told the manager. If he is old enough to go by himself then he should have been in the mens room. WTF is wrong with his mother. The only way a boy should be in a womans bathroom is if he is with his mother. That is so wrong what happened to you. I would have been mortified.

I would have been less draconian in dealing with him. I`d have hauled him in under the door, given him a good look at my turds, then flushed his head in the dirty pan.

I have seen numerous times that a father had to bring a small daughter into the men's room, sometimes when I was noisily pooping. Invariably the dads kept the daughters right with them; no pooping under partitions that I can recall. Once a little girl asked her dad,
"Is that man pooping?" He said, "Yes, he is; that's what this place is for." End of episode. I have no problem with parents bringing small children of either sex into the bathroom, so long as everyone sticks to business.

No, Kay O. P., you are not a prude. I would have screamed under such circumstances. The kid must be supervised. It is like walking into someone's front door without knocking. It is just plain rude.
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ok going along the lines of Thunderbox and CEP, I think you should have whipped him in the face with your dirty tampon and then used it again on the mother. I mean seriously WTF? if he is old enough to go in alone then he is old enough to use the mens room. I have taken my boys with me in the womens room but they always stay right with me. I think a good tampon smacking would have done wonders for his bathroom etiquette lesson.

Tonight on Poop Report TV a panel discussion moderated by Bill Maher.Proper shitting procedures for kids.The panel:Our future President CEP.Thunderbox and Mrs.Mad Crapper.If don't beat the shit out of the kid and his mother they may beat the shit out of Bill Maher.

I would've kicked the shit out of the kid- first out of shock, then out of anger. Too many people pull this shit- bringing loud, annoying kids into bathrooms and dressing rooms. My policy pertaining to such occurrences is to wait until they leave.

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A fart is a chemical substance,
It comes from a place called bum;
It penetrates through the trousers,
And lands with a musical hum.
To fart, to fart, 'tis no disgrace;
It warms the blankets on cold winter nights,
And suffocates all the fleas.

I don't like kids so my first thought is that the kid should not have been in the ladies room if he is able to use the washroom on his own. However, parents these days are pretty paranoid (and sometimes, rightfully so) about their kids getting abducted. And if mom has to pee, too, then she can't watch the doorway of the boy's room for her son the entire time.
Assuming the kid can go on his own and doesn't need help wiping or getting his pants down, my suggested solution would be for mom to go let her kid into the men's room, but stand outside the men's room door till he's done. Then if mom has to pee, she should bring her kid in the ladies' room and tell him to stand right in front of her door, facing the other way, so she can see the backs of his feet at all times, explaining that this is the ladies' room and some ladies don't appreciate a big boy his age running around.
God, kids are a PITA.

Consider these two scenarios, that are straight from Poo household.

I have an 8 y.o. special needs son. He can not use the bathroom on his own, which means that when he's with Mrs. Poo and he has to use the bathroom, he's going to the Women's room. (Note: Very few facilities offer "Family" restrooms.) Of course, my wife is there with him the entire time and his behavior is more or less monitored. But what is she to do, if she has to drop trou? Keep Lil Poo with her in the stall? That would be about the only way to keep him from splashing and playing in the sinks. Of course, watching your Mother squat and pee well into adolesence -- maybe even puberty, in the case of Lil Poo -- presents not only certain social challenges but emotional and psychological development issues as well. In this scenario, how do you pragmatically balance the other patrons' need for privacy with our own?

The other end of the spectrum is my 72 y.o. mother who suffers from advanced Alzheimer's. When she has to go, she has to go right then. And when she does cut loose, usually no amount of Depends is going to hold back the tide. I take her into the Men's room, help her shift her clothes, clean up, dress and then wash up. Of course, we're using the stalls which are usually out of line-of-sight from the urinals. I've never had any guy complain about me and my mother, although I do explain to everybody that my elderly mother has dementia and requires assistance. (Either that, or I suffer from Norman Bates Complex.)

So, before you go opening that can of whup-ass or flailing about madly with a tampon, ask yourself whether there might be a logical and reasonable explanation for the situation. There should be standards for behavior, but we also need to be flexible enough to realize that not everybody can adhere to them.
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My special needs kid crapped in your honor roll student's backpack.

My ex-girlfriend had a 2 year old daughter. I took her out shopping with me once and I had to pee.
I took her into the (one-seater) restroom with me and had her stand where I could see her, but she couldn't see my junk.
After a few seconds she asked what I was doing. I told her "I'm going to the bathroom. Boys pee standing up." That's all she needed to know.
I also helped her with potty training, which is a real test of manhood, IMHO.
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You have the right to remain Silent but Deadly....

I work in a retail environment. I have had many a little kid peek through the crack, climb under stalls, play in water, you name it.
I can't say anything I'd like(Getoutta here! Where's your Mom!) because I work there, but I agree with Deja's comments. That being said most of what I see are little hardly supervised kids being inquisitive little kids.
Is that poop you're makin?

I remember eating at Mickey D's when a young mom asked her child to wait for her outside the lady's room.The child asked his mom in a loud voice,"Are you going to poop?"

Kay, I don't think you're a prude. Kids are kids, and they're funny; but they depend on their parents to teach them to respect others' boundaries. Every missed opportunity creates more trouble later on down the line.

Taking the child by the hand, walking him outside the bathroom up to his mother, and making him tell what he was doing in front of her and you would have been another decent way to handle this. Kay said it very well - if a child is old enough to be embarrassed of what he's done, he's misbehaving.

Another benefit of making the child tell the mother what he did is that the mother is actually the one who deserves most of the blame in this instance. She obviously didn't have a child who needed assistance, as he wasn't getting any. What reasons she had to let him go in there unattended are beyond me.

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I'm a college student. Last Thanksgiving I was flying home and at the last minute before boarding my flight, I felt diarrhea coming on. At the last minute, I decided to duck into the bathroom. There were like 30 stalls--all of which were taken and some had ladies waiting for a door to open. As I started to wait, very afraid of what would likely happen in my thong and concerned that I might miss my boarding time, I noticed about three stalls down that one stall didn't have its door closed. I quickly moved down there, hoping that I had scored the prize. Although the stall was open and the bowl looked relatively clean, it took me only a couple of seconds to get my jeans and thong down and I placed my butt on the seat. And none too soon, I might add, because the liquid started squirting almost immediately. My initial though was how chilly the seat was and the overall lack of warmth in the bathroom. Within about 15 seconds a woman comes rushing in with two young boys; one was probably about 4 and the other was about 6. She quickly went into the stall next to mine and you could hear her pee flow start and then a sigh. She called out to her boys not to leave the front of her stall door, but the younger one walked over and started staring and snickering at me. Next he punched his brother on the arm and motioned for him to come over an watch me too. Then the youngest made a face and nose gesture to me and they both burst out laughing. I told them it wasn't right to stand there and stare me down, but that just seemed to egg them on. Finally, their mom started to wipe and vacate the stall, and they turned their attention the other way. By the time I wiped, both they and their mother were gone, but I had a nervousness about having my privacy violated. When I told my boyfriend about it, he said I had asked for it by using a doorless stall. I don't agree. My privacy should have been shown respect.

What most of you said is true: if he is old enough, then he should go to the men's room, if not he should be closely watched.
However, there's something that would solve problems of that kind forever. I've been living in the U.S. for a couple of months now, and the fact that in all public toilets you get to see your neighbors' feet is something with which I feel slightly uncomfortable. Wouldn't it be better if the stall walls went all the way to the floor? Is there a reason why they don't? If they did, no kid would ever be able too take a peak from the next stall, and voila, problem solved!

You totally should have tagged the little bast*ard with your used tampon. Right in his cherubic little face.

He had it coming.

I like how you felt a point to asterisk the word bastard in a post where you advocate striking a child with a used tampon.

As a 30-year-old female who travels extensively and uses a lot of public bathrooms, I would never enter a doorless stall and for the exact reasons Vivian discovered. You are just too vulnerable to the immature and in the case of kids, the unsupervised. From what was described, the crowded bathroom conditions and those waiting for stalls made it even more treacherous for Vivian to sit and expect the privacy when indeed she is providing two young boys--without direct parental supervision--an obvious answer to their curiosity and boredom.

First of all a child should be taught that it is IMPOLITE to look under the stall at ANYONE. This can be accomplished by emphasizing privacy at an early age. For example my niece is 5 and my sister has started to teach her to keep the door closed to the bathroom when she goes AND that her brothers should leave her alone when she is in the bathroom as well. Her brothers are 3 and 1 respectively. If a child is taught at a young age about privacy then it becomes a habit and THEN you do not have the problem of kids looking under the stall at someone else. Then there is NO NEED for Tampon terrorism.
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AHHHHHEMMMMMMMMMM JUST CLEARING MY THROAT!! ;)

One of these days, I want to go through the site and collect all the absolutely absurd things people say they "would have" done in a particular situation.

"I would have kicked the kid in the face then beat the shit out of the mother."

No, actually, you definitly wouldn't have. I'm 100% sure of it.

Dave,
I think you may have enough material for another book.Art Linkletter said kids say the strangest thinks maybe poop reporters do.

I am really tired of seeing boys in the ladies' room.

The worst example was at Bear Mountain State Park in New York last summer.

These were TEENAGE boys in the ladies' room with their Moms.

All were Asian Indian. I don't know if this is a cultural thing or what. And I am not prejudiced.

But women and girls were peeing, pooping, and changing into swimsuits to use the swimming pool, and these boys were in there with their Moms in saris.

My husband thinks the Moms were afraid to let them use the men's room for fear of molestation. But it creeped me out to have these young men in the ladies' room,and I told the Moms so.

I told them they can easily allow their boy into the men's room, wait near the door, and instruct him to call out if he feels threatened.

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Piece Out!
Crapola

Perhaps you should have just introduced him to your "monthly friend." I know when that little pal comes a calling on my girlfriend, I run for the hills!! I doubt that kid would have ever gone near another women's bathroom again!!

I don't think Vivian has a legitimate complaint on anything. First, she complains about the cold seat. Why doesn't she put some toilet paper or a seat tissue down first; this would also make sense from a cleanliness point of view and especially since this was a heavily used airport restroom. Second, why would she have ANY espectation of privacy in a doorless stall? Might that be a good reason no one else was using it and there was no line waiting for it? Yes, the boys were probably out of line but boys will be boys. To me at least, Vivian's expectations are unrealistic.

Don't people understand that when you have young kids out shopping with you and doing other errands, emergencies are going to happen? You have to adapt the best you can. My son turns 6 in December and twice this past month he's been out with me (once at the mall and once at city hall) where I had to get him on a toilet fast or he would crap his pants. He's had accidents on a few occsions.

Each time all the regular doored stalls were in use and others were waiting for one to open. (Our luck's never good is it!). Once I had to lift him up on the handicapped toilet and hold him because he moves around a lot and could easily fall. A couple weeks ago at city hall there was no time but to yank down his sweats and force him into one of two doorless stalls at city hall. As soon as Adam's butt touched the seat he evacuated. I stood in the doorway to shield him and with the exception of one lady who asked if he was okey,(she had 2 boys with her about his age), we didn't draw any attention.

Such situations--if handled correctly--give us teachable moments for all involved.

Because perhaps Vivian was on the verge of shitting in her pants,she did not have time to be so picky.

I'm with you on this Dave, but if beating the shit out of someone is the only option, then it is better to do it BEFORE they go to the bathroom. You have a lot more to beat out of them then.

I know what you mean...
When I was about 11 or 12...on the cusp of womanhood...I had to change in a pool locker room. Sadly, someone had brought a horrible brood of little boys in. One of them stood right in front of me and gazed at my naked body (yeah, just curious, but wtf?). I think that with a child under 8, it doesn't matter which bathroom they use...even though it does make other people uncomfortable...

Whoa, whoa, whoa...I read that wrong...the kid was ALONE in the wrong bathroom? Maybe he just couldn't read the sign?

Two months ago when I was headed back to college, I had an hour holdover as we changed busses at the station. I went into the men's room to shit. Two stalls, each open without a door. I dropped my shorts and underwear and placed my butt on the first stool. As I started to push, I got to thinking how exposed I would be if a couple of busses were to pull up at the same time and guys needed to use the bathroom. About 5 seconds later a guy about 10 or 15 years older than me came running in pulling a little girl who was reluctantly trying to keep up with his speed. He pushed her aside just as they were outside my stall and he immediately dropped the seat of the adjacent toilet and within 2 or 3 seconds he was down and blasting away so ferociously that she put her hands over her ears and snickered as she stood and looked at me. That caused me to pull my underwear and shorts up to stool level and I asked her how old she was. She held up 7 or 8 fingers and at that point I told her she was old enough to be waiting down at the other end of the bathroom by the urinals and sinks. Her father continued to blast has shit, and then I heard him curse, call her over and show her that there was no toilet paper in his stall's holder. He whispered something to her and then she came into my stall and pointed to the paper and said he needed some. I thought that request was bold and an invasion of my "space". If the role had been reversed, I would have sat and waited for him to have left. It's both children and adults that need a "lesson" refresher in restroom privacy.

Protective Mother, no one's denying that sometimes you need to take your kid into the wrong bathroom. What we're debating here is the cause a woman would have for letting her six year old son go into the women's restroom by himself without her.

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I'm a 16-year-old male. I understand what Gary experienced and I have the same frustrations he writes about. So many more public places today have taken the doors off the guys stalls. At first I thought it was just at my school, but major chain stores, our town's bowling alley, and our state's largest sports arena have also removed the doors. And like with Gary, I see more fathers bringing their children in. I learned the hard way this summer when I was being stared down by this girl to keep my shorts and boxers at stool level and that if I lean forward with my arms in my lap, I'm covering more of myself. Anyway, this girl was just roaming while her dad was at the far end of the room using a urinal. Then when he flushed it and found she had wandered off, he yelled her name four or five times before she ran over to him. About two minutes later when they walked out together, she took another look at me and a couple other guys in nearby stalls who were crapping. Gary's right in asking what has happened to OUR privacy.

I suppose it was my years in the military but I can take privacy
or do without. Extreme situations might be different, like sitting on a float wipping my butt in the Macy's parade.

Eat chilies and feel the burn!!

Chief,
That must have made for great reality TV.

As a widower for a number of years in the late '60s & early '70s I raised my daughters on my own. What Gary and Mini-Blaster, among others, have identifed are situations that never should have happened. First, we sometimes went out of our way to find mens rooms that had stall doors and urinals placed well back and away from the sinks. Second, I would walk into the bathroom, sometimes with as many as three of the girls (all were under age 8) in tow and I would open the first available stall, they would enter, do whatever duty they needed to do behind the locked door, and they stayed in the stall until I, for example, finished peeing, and had washed my hands. When I tapped on the door and they could hear my voice, they would come out one at a time, wash their hands at the nearest sink and then wait in an orderly fashion at the door for their sisters to do the same. Outside of a couple of problems (a toilet overflowed on my youngest because she flushed while seated and got wet and the occasional "Dad there's no toilet paper!"), the stress for all involved was minimal. On occasion when I had to take a shit, they just knew they would be in the stall a little longer and they reluctantly accepted that. I know a couple of the girls do the same when they need to take my grandsons into a public bathroom.

So I see that a lot of people have had experiences with doorless stalls. now i know its a tad off subject because there are no children where I'm talking about but what about having to shit if your in jail. The stool is right there in the cell with no door, no walls no nothing to stop everyone in the room from seeing you on the pot. When I was in jail, thankfully I didn't have to shit, but I did have to pee. The others always made light of the fact that we had to do our business in front of each other. Maybe thats what she should have done. Demonstraighted tampon use and scarred the kid for life, he never again in his life would have dared to go in womans toilet. muwahahaha

What I'm figuring is that the boy *thought* he was in the right bathroom, was curious as to why he saw a woman in there, and just took his curiousity a little too far. Not to mention that little boys are often curious about how female body functions work. Even I still walk into the girls' room by mistake sometimes.

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Don't worry, I do it, too!

I don't mind mothers taking their children into the bathroom if there are no other options, and the child is well behaved. Unfortunately we all seem to run into idiots too often...

I was at a National park campground and there were boys (ages four through 12ish) with their mom in the restroom all brushing their teeth and doing other morning rituals. I used the bathroom and one of the boys looked under my stall (as I was right next to the sinks) and commented on my underwear to his mom!!! His mom did not tell him it was impolite to look under the stall, AND then once I came out to wash my hands I had to ask her permission to use one of the three sinks that her boy scout troop was monopolizing. I regret never confronting her on her rude actions/non-actions. I was just so shocked at how ignorant and how poorly she was choosing to teach her children.

_Great..first I can't live within 1000 feet of a playground. then I have to register with the cops if I move into a neighborhood with children in it. Now, it sounds like I have to stay away from public restrooms. Where will my shame end?______
Here I sit, my cheeks a flexin', about to give birth to another Texan.

Once I was in a doorless stall when a man came in with his 6 or so year old daughter. They both saw me and he had her turn towards the wall while he was at the urinal. She did turn and glance at me a couple of times and her Dad yelled at her to turn around. She quickly complied.

She could see my bare legs and my underwear and shorts down at my ankles, but she couldn't see my junk. It was a little bit weird, though.

I've had little boys peek in on me, but they usually are really young, like 2 or 3. I'll just smile and wave to them.

wow, thats just plain sick.

i wonder if the six year old even knew what was going on lol. that seems more like my brother looking at me crap, hes a faggot lol

Ok, so one day when I was big huge pregnant & in a rush to pee- I waddled clear across the store to TC of B. So I go ahead & handle the "bidness" when I see just what Kay had seen, a little boy's filthy kool-aid mustache stained face. He had to be like 7! Way passed old enough to know better than to invade private space like oh, let's just say... A BATHROOM STALL! So I yell at him "HEY! Get outta here! Where's your Mom?!" To which I hear "I'm right here you fuckin' bitch- waiting for you to come out & talk to ME face to face!" WHA?!?! I thinks to meself- Well I'll be screwed blue & tattooed!! And in a hormonal rage that only a pregnant woman can understand- I clean up, yank my clothes back on real quick & in a hurry, then all but kick the damned door opened in hopes to hit either one of them right in their filthy toothless white trash faces! This woman sees that I'm about to burst & says "Oh you're gonna make a FINE mother with an attitude like that! You can't just yell at someone elses kid like that!" OMG! No she di'int! This cum dumpster of a whore? Questioning MY parenting abbilities? Now I'll admit that I'm no saint (clearly I enjoy filthy language, I consider it to be a form of art)- but I know the difference between "Mommy time" & "MomME time" & refrain from showing my ass in front of my kids- as this "person" clearly held nothing back... So I got way off topic- sorry! It still makes my blood boil & I get a little carried away! I take my kids into the restrooms with me & they're always closely monitored whether it's me using the facilities or them. If it were my kid looking under the stalls I'd be furious with them! Even with them being young, they know that bathroom time is private.
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Fold or Wad?

I think the worst instance of this that I have had to deal with involved a child that couldn't have been younger than ten or eleven. Seriously now, if your child is older than four or five I think he can urinate in his designated restroom.

We went camping last summer at a really bad campground and one morning I had to poo so bad and the stalls in the ladies room had no doors and the walls were so high they were level with the seats and you could see the neighbors butt if you looked. but the stalls available had broken seats so I had to hover over the bowl while doing my thing and when I glanced over to see a boys face peering at my bare peeing, pooing, hovering butt from underneath the wall. I yelled at him to quit cause he looked to be at least 12 or more thats when I noticed He even had a camera aimed at my butt, now I still couldnt stop what I was doing yet and I couldnt do anything else, also there was no one else around at all, when I finished and wiped He had ran off and I never saw him again, so the lesson here is make sure the person next to you is of the same sex as you, and always look for cameras.

I was in a park bathroom last week on the 4th of July. Old brick building, bad upkeep, four doorless stalls, three sinks, etc. I was shitting and my thong and shorts were at floor level (Dumb on my part, I know!). A mother comes into the building doorway and says "I have two young boys with me but they shouldn't be a problem" and a couple of seconds later walks in with what looked to be a 4-year-old and a 5-year-old. I immediately grabbed my shorts and thong and moved them up to mid-thigh level. I was in the 3rd stall and she assigned them to the first two. She reminded each of lift the seat which you could hear them do and to flush. Both did and I could see the one to my immediate left had to walk to the side of the toilet and probably put half his weight on the flusher to finally get it to work. Mom quickly took the 4th stall on the end, sat down and peed quickly and said something to me like it was nice to be able to get off her feet for a couple of minutes. From her stall she reminded each to wash their hands which they did and without looking in a violating my space. the mom flushed, washed her hands and directed them out, stopping momentarily to tie the shoes on the youngest. She winked at me and said "thank you" as she passed my stall. So there are responsible parents out there.

Well, Caryl Marie, your luck is running a lot better than mine. Three times already this summer I've been on the toilet in the swimming pool bath house and I've had mothers drag young boys in who were anything but cordial. One made a face and another took like a 10 second look at me sitting and peeing before I shouted and scared him off. Of course, mom didn't see anything alarming about the behavior.

Like last week I was on the stool shitting in a five open-stall locker room. A father, probably in his 30s, comes in with like three young girls, the oldest seemed to be about 6 and the youngest probably about 3. Their dad had them each pee in the stalls around me, but the youngest got done before her sisters and walked past my stall like three times and stared at me like each time she went by. Finally, just as I was wiping and adjusting my trunks, the father came in and called them out to the pool deck. I just don't feel comfortable with kids that age being in the mens room and seeing my wang and wiping technique.

I had just wiped the seat and sat down to pee at the mall last week when I heard a conversation between a mother and her young son at the doorway of the restroom. The mom was trying to convince him to go in alone to the mens room door, but he was persistent that he come in with her.

Finally she said something about him starting second grade next month. Then she asked if he had to wee or poo. First he answered wee and she directed him to the mens room door. Immediately then he changed his story. Then she brought him in and opened the door of the stall next to mine and quickly closed it behind him. She then went down to the very end stall.

He peed and I heard him lie to her as she questioned him about taking enough to to completely wipe himself.

Such a situation worries me.

Any kid, unless of course he's mentally challenged, that's in 2nd grade should be able to go into the mens bathroom and pee or shit on his own. It's a form of child abuse for a mother to take a boy that old into the ladies room.

I'm 13. I babysit overnight for a boy. He's 6. I've taken him to the mall, circus, and several times this past summer to a theme park. I've tried it both ways -- letting him go into the mens room and taking him in with me. And I also have a problem of what to do with him when I need to go in an pee. That's like every 3 hours or so because I'm eating and drinking a lot. I just can't seem to decide what works best. I know that he can get snatched up from the hallway when I'm sitting and peeing. But the girls and women want their privacy, too.

The answer, for me, is to err on the side of caution. My son, who is almost 7, still is taken into the bathroom with me when we're at airports, mall, Staples Center-type places. He takes the stall right next to me. He closes the door and uses or tries to use the toilet, and he stays in the stall until I'm done in mine and knock on his door. Then we go to the nearest sink and wash our hands. He doesn't get down on his knees and look under the stall. And sometimes if we walk past a door-less stall, he walks right past without gawking.

I don't know of any other way to insure that Shay remains safe in such public places when my husband is not with us.