Samdamnit, why did you need to create a new identity to post this story about shoving things up your ass? It is perfectly acceptable in your party.

I think the whole thing is fake anyway.

Hm. Has Motherload seen this yet?

HEY MOM!!!

I don't think this is fake... I've never used toilet paper but since I was little (10-12ish) I always stuck my finger up there to do the same thing... not to escape my dad but just because it felt good to make my body go to the bathroom, plus now that I'm older it feels good sexually so...

I kind of believe it. We had a baby Rottweiler once that we tried to house break. This dog was a certified canine moron. We tried everything to no avail. Finally we talked to the vet about it. Vet said to put a QTip with vaseline in the pup's anus, and that would stimulate it to have a movement. It stimulated the little bastard to bite my hand half off. Finally in desparation we tried leaving it in his ignorant butt for a few moments then remove it. Dumbass the dog waddled around the yard with the swab sticking out his but for 20 minutes before we took it out (thank heavens the neighbors weren't watching.) Finally he shit two miniscule turdlets. We took him inside and he shit Mt McKinley on the dining room floor. We finally got rid of him when we moved (I for one don't miss him).

I believe this story is true. Our bodies are lazy and will take the path of least resistance. That's why laxities are not good for long term use. If his anus has gotten use to manual stimulation then it's very likely he CAN'T go with out help.
I'm sorry TPT, but it sounds like you're going to have to find a doctor who you are comfortable talking to. It sounds like you might have some issues with your dad also. How scared of your father do you have to be to force yourself to crap? Get help. Trust me you'll be a happier person.

oops. I meant laxatives. Stupid spell checker.

Um, that's... disturbing. I used to think I'd heard everything. Guess I was... uh, very wrong. I'm sure if you just went to a TP Stuffer's Anonymous meeting it might help.

I had a similar problem with an abusive father. However, my response was not to go into the bathroom and stuff toilet paper up my ass. My response was to beat him to a bloody pulp. It worked great! Unfortunately, I got into the habit of beating things to a pulp and sort of became dependent on it for a while. I suppose this is why I have few friends.

*switching off sarcasm mode*

Seriously, though. I hope you get over your... um, dependence. And thanks. I was about to go stuff my face with food out of boredom, but my stomach has curled from this report.

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If a man farts and no one's around, does he make a sound?

I have heard of this "addiction".

My dad was very abusive before he got sick about 15 years ago. I however, did not shove toilet paper up my ass. It did affect me negativley, but I was lucky enough to have seen him change for the better, resulting in the most unbreakable bond that a son could hope for.

I digress. More likley than not, you have been traumatized. It unfortunatley will be very hard for you to stop this habit. My best adivce to you is to try to gradually work on it. Rome wasn't built in a day, and good things take time. You have been doing this for a long time now, it is now ingraned into you.

The first step will be the hardest. After the first month, things should get easier for you.

Yes, it the habit is harmfull to your body.

As gross as this habit is, I feel bad for you. Good luck.
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It's not nice to fool mother nature.

You've got 27 years of conditioning to overcome, TPT, and I'm guessing that the psychological component will be harder for you to deal with than the physical. As your rectum fills, your mud should provide the same stimulus as the toilet paper does, if you can just force yourself not to stuff and let nature take its course. Once you see that you don't have to prime the pump, then maybe you can try to address the mental baggage that makes you feel like you NEED to.

My dad was a physically abusive bastard. My older sister could get away with anything, the younger one was the baby, so naturally she was perfect. I was the evil child. I got punished for things my sisters did. "You egged them on." To this day I am overly compliant (queen of the date rapes here). But that's the past.
Despite this I have never packed TP up my poopchute.

I don't doubt that this is true. (Of course, I never doubt that anything I publish is true.) Since Motherload is away for a few weeks, I will try my hand at playing doctor.

My rudimentary understanding of poop suggests that the urge to poop comes from the stimulation of nerves in the rectum by the gathering poop. The more pressure your poop is putting on your rectum, the more your rectum signals the need to go. Presumably poop pressure works like water pressure -- there's more pressure at the bottom of the bucket than at the top. So there's more pressure at the bottom of the rectum than the top.

However, TPT screwed himself because his body grew used to responding to sudden intense pressure at the bottom of the poop chute. In other words, it associated a certain stimulus with certain action. So the old way (the gradual accumulation of poop) doesn't trigger the need because the body is waiting for the new way (the sudden intense pressure of a wad of TP given the bum's rush).

So how do you wean yourself? My guess -- and God knows I'm not qualified to give medical advice -- is to reintroduce the old stimulus, but in a drastic way. Eat a lot of fiber, take a lot of Metamucil -- that will give you nice, bulky stools. And then just hold it in until you really, really need to go. And repeat. Over and over. Train your body to recognize the urge to shit really big logs that gather slowly, instead of the sudden pressure of insertion, and show your body that you're only going to respond to actual urges and not artificial two-ply ones.

Again, though, my disclaimer: what the hell do I know?

While in the hospital I was having problems pooping. I remember them talking about digital stimulation to encourage bowel movements. I was naive at first and didn't know what they meant. When it was explained to me I freaked the fuck out. Next day, started shitting on my own.

I guess you can say that the nurses scared the shit out of me.

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This story made me sad. Really it did. How an abusive parent can mess up a person to the point they can't function physically. Correctly anyways. Most stories on the sight are funny and we all have a good laugh about shitting our pants, but this one just made me sigh and shake my head.

This is just a guess, but it's probably safer to insert glycerin suppositories up your butt than it is to shove toilet paper in there.
If Dave's suggestions to reprogram your anus and rectum don't work, use the suppositories.They were meant to be shoved up there.

I knew I was going to get lamed for my comment but at least it took a while.

Slow day, I guess.

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If a man farts and no one's around, does he make a sound?

I hef been monitoring ziss site for zum time now, vaiting for my expertiss to be needed. It iss now time:

TPT, in ze vield of head shrinking, vee doktors hef a term for ziss: Fucked in ze head. I em very zorry about your fadder, but Its clear ziss iss too much for afferage poop reporters. Much luck. Excusse me vile I go poke out my eyess.

I guess I sort of agree with what Dave posted. The movement of crap into the descending colon initially brings it into contact with the area near the internal sphincter, triggering a relaxation of the sphincter. If we didn't also have an external sphincter of striated - or "voluntary" - muscle, we would be like some animals who walk around and crap without having to think about it. When we exercise voluntary control over the external sphincter, the internal sphincter tightens again, and the urge to crap is reduced. What usually triggers it again after that is the peristaltic movement of the "upstream" colon moving other crap through the system. You can fight off a turd for only so long if there is a high degree of motility. No matter how tough you are in other respects, you're usually no match for a turd whose time has really and truly come. Once the internal sphincter can no longer be fooled into maintaining an initial barrier, it is up to the external sphincter. All you have to ask yourself is how long you think you could hold a half-pound weight in your hand with your arm extended straight out from your shoulder. Even the strongest person will find the muscle fatiguing over time; same goes for the sphincter, it can only be asked to do so much.

I also agree with Fart Poopie about the suppositories being safer. They're less likely to do damage to the soft tissues of your rectum. You might want to also consider possibly using a small dildo/vibrator that's well-lubricated. I understand that you don't think this has a sexual aspect, but if you're going to insert anything in yourself you might as well use something that is less risky than what you already do. If you haven't given yourself a fistula or torn any of the tissues, it's only a matter of time until you do. Trust me, if you're embarrassed by what you're doing you'll be even more mortified when you end up in an ER explaining how you perforated your bowel with your finger.
I'm certainly not versed in psychology, but I'm guessing you're habit is not unusual, even if it has some unique elements. There are plenty of resources out there for seeking advice on this, and your employer might already offer an employee assistance program, which is an anonymous helpline for everything from substance abuse to depression to family problems. You'd be surprised how non-threatening it is to speak to a medical or psychiatric professional. Once you overcome your initial reluctance to speak to someone, you might find that it becomes even easier to address some of what might underly the situation. Believe me, as someone who grew up around doctors I can tell you that they really don't judge their patients. Well, the good ones don't, in any event. You really need to consider the long term view of this. Eventually the trauma you inflict on yourself could take a toll,and the fact that you already believe your ritual has "deformed" your ass is an indication that you are headed for something that's not going to be pleasant to experience. It's really a great first step to air it out in this forum. I guess I'm one of those who's choosing to believe that this was a legitimate, true story. Even if it weren't, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone reading it has done pretty much the same thing and might benefit from the discussion. Best of luck to you.
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Nicely stated, Blogger: especially your description of the "call-and-response" duet of the internal and external sphincters. Also, Dave and I are in agreement that stimulus substitution is the key here. How difficult that process will be is anyone's guess, but after re-reading in TPT's post that he would "stuff...as many as 12 to 15 times [in one sitting]", I realize that I may have made the replacement process sound a bit too simple in my first post. Based on my personal experience (I had between 3 and 4 inches of my rectum surgically removed last year), I can vouch for the resilience of the human body and its systems. You CAN break this cycle, TPT, and you've got to give it a try for your physical (and psychological) health.

If you have trained your anus with a sort of conditioned Pavlovian response, can't you untrain it? Give it another stimuli to respond to. I suggest C-Span. I know it makes me just shit to watch the government in action.

Dave, you don't need a disclaimer. What you said, pretty much sums up how the colon works, right to the tee.

The hardest problem for TPT will be the impulses that go with a long practiced habit. This will be especially true during times of crisis. Sometimes a habit like this can work as an escape to a persons problems.

I learned in Psychology, that the first 30 days are the hardest, when breaking an old habit. And unfortunatley, there will be (diminishing) chances of relapse for the first 10 years. After that, it is very smooth sailing.

Class dismissed.
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It's not nice to fool mother nature.

Very true H1. We revert to what feels familiar in times of crisis. I know for me its smoking. When I'm having a truly horrible day all I want to do is smoke a Marlboro. I DON'T, mind you, but I want to.

I do this when I'm constipated....

I have to agree with Dave and Bowel Blogger. There is probably an abnormal autonomic nervous system response to rectal distention, requiring hyperstimulation of the area to initiate peristalsis. Admittedly we are all speculating here, and personally I would advise TPT to be seen by a gastroenterologist. This certainly falls into the spectrum of "motility disorder" and in addition, the pains the author describes extending into the back of the knees could be consistent with injury or irritation of sacral nerve roots.

Here are some abstracts related to the topic of "rectal hyposensitivity". I emphasize again that all of this is speculation and the author should be evaluated by a gastroenterologist.

Am J Gastroenterol. 2006 May;101(5):1140-51.

Rectal hyposensitivity

Gladman MA, Lunniss PJ, Scott SM, Swash M.
Gastrointestinal Physiology Unit, Barts and The London, Queen Mary's School of Medicine and Dentistry, Whitechapel, London, United Kingdom.

Rectal hyposensitivity (RH) relates to a diminished perception of rectal distension that is diagnosed during anorectal physiologic investigation. There have been few direct studies of this physiologic abnormality, and its contribution to the development of functional bowel disorders has been relatively neglected. However, it appears to be common in patients with such disorders, being most prevalent in patients with functional constipation with or without fecal incontinence. Indeed, it may be important in the etiology of symptoms in certain patients, given that it is the only "apparent" identifiable abnormality on physiologic testing. Currently, it is usually diagnosed on the basis of elevated sensory threshold volumes during balloon distension in clinical practice, although such a diagnosis may be susceptible to misinterpretation in the presence of altered rectal wall properties, and thus it is uncertain whether a diagnosis of RH reflects true impairment of afferent nerve function. Furthermore, the etiology of RH is unclear, although there is limited evidence to support the role of pelvic nerve injury and abnormal toilet behavior. The optimum treatment of patients with RH is yet to be established. The majority are managed symptomatically, although "sensory-retraining biofeedback" appears to be the most effective treatment, at least in the short term, and is associated with objective improvement in the rectal sensory function. Currently, fundamental questions relating to the contribution of this physiologic abnormality to the development of functional bowel disorders remain unanswered. Acknowledgment of the potential importance of RH is thus required by clinicians and researchers to determine its relevance.

Has Sam read this yet?

This really inflicts the "ew...." factor. Like what Dave said, your body is used to pooping only when there is intense pressure knocking at the back door. So basically, you might not feel the need to poop until it is so huge that you literally only have about 5 seconds to make it to the toilet or less before you have some mississippi mud pie in your boxers. I would suggest staying at home and being VERY close to a toilet for the first few times.

Hope you get better.

Just count your blessings. You could be addicted to violating yourself with a grease gun.
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I wonder if a trip to the doctor and getting a prescription for cholase and milk of magnesia would help break this problem. You should think about getting help. You wouldn't have to tell the doctor how it started, but you could mention the need to stimulate yourself to get things moving.

And Anomolous, that rottweiler probably smelled so much of himself in the house, he thought it was where he was supposed to go. It explains him not going outside. Once a dog or cat soils an area, the importance of using an enzymatic organic material remover is paramount.

Prevention is the best medicine with house-training dogs, and it's often what makes or breaks their ability to grasp what's going on and what you want. I'm sorry you guys had to get rid of the dog. It's sad when that happens. I know because we had to give a basset hound to someone with a farm about 12 years ago for that same reason, and it broke my heart.

In all honesty, that will be one area that I'll have to take time off for when we get a new dog in years to come; staying with the puppy 24 hours a day (or trading off with the spouse) for the first month, and not getting it before 10 weeks of age help tremendously, but it's like having a newborn again!!!

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I would think that taking a dump would become quite a nuissance with your method.

I am not only shocked and disgusted, but filled with the deepest pity. If your father can cause this, I suggest counseling. You don't necessarily have to be crackers to seek professional help, but in your case it's a nice coincidence.

This is just so funny...

Haha wonderful! I thought I was the only person that did that! Only I dont use toilet paper. I experimented with that in the early days. But the finger works best. I just shove it up there and start swishing around a little bit.

I can make MASSIVE amounts of poop all the time. On command. Like back to back all day whenever I want. I imagine I might actually be shitting out my entire intestine.

Which is kind of like getting an enema, only without water.

Which can be a form of bulimia, as your body doesnt have the chance to get much out of your food. I may be a little over wieght, but I don't care so much about it. I just like the way it feels when I poop.

I'm addicted to it I guess. I cant go without using the finger unless I REALLY have to go. Which is ok for prolonged public situations.

One advantage is that I am immune to diahreah. Awesome right?

Yeah, who doesn't hate those "prolonged public situations"? Whatever that means...
Must be just awful having to wait for those prolonged public situations to end so you can get back to stuffing your finger up your ass. I'd love to see the looks on the faces of people you shake hands with. If true (which I doubt): disgusting.

I also have issues with the daily routine of pooping that date back to my childhood. I believe this story and it makes sense to me.

Some of my habits were leading to difficulties in my colon that merited attention by a GI Doctor. Without going into detail about my condition I will pass on some words of advice.

The older you get the worse your problem will become. Try to change your habits before you really injure yourself. Find a good GI doctor and talk to him or her about it - they have likely seen it all.

You will probably be told to take some kind of fiber supplement to create a more natural urge. More important, however, is understanding how this works. The fiber (metamucil or citrical) taken with water, in a sense shapes your colon correctly so that matter comes out naturally and doesn't get stuck in side canals. It sort of works like the alligators in the Florida swamps in that it keeps the channels open and allows water to flow.

It is hard to break bad habits that you have come to rely on. Think about the future, however, when you are really old and not as nimble as you are now - who is going to do this for you?

i'm fairly confused. you have an 'obsession' with sticking toilet paper up your butt?

Dave, I thought we tried to keep the copraphiliacs off this site.

Sucks that you couldn't work it out some other way. Didn't you get your ass beat after you came out of the bathroom anyway, or did he forget about it by the time you were done? Either way I think it sucks that his mental problems are now yours. I hope he shits his pants regularly.

Just STOP DOING IT. If you just stop, your body will eventually poop normally.

I'm a psych major, and you seriously need some help.

What kind of abusive father CARES if you have to go to the bathroom? That seems very unlikely to me. It is more likely he would not give a damn and beat you anyways, making you feel even worse if you do happen to go poo poo in the pants.

Aiight ya'll, you guys can try to make it all sentimental about the abusiveness of his father, but fuck that - this nigga actually sticks TP up his ass to poop, I think he deserves better advice than just, "Oh, yeah, my dad used to beat my ass too." Forget about your dad, man. He's not there when you're pooping now, and even if he's the reason why you do it, anybody in their right mind knows that this type of shit cannot go on much longer. What if your boyfriend or girlfriend finds out about it? Um, not good! I totally feel you on the fact that pooping feels great in a non-sexual way and everything, but seriously man, be real with yourself. If you ever wanna have a normal poop-life again, you GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA see an ass doctor. They've seen way crazier stuff, trust and believe. Imagine what it's going to be like when you can't do that anymore, and you can't even poop anymore, and all your shit leaks from your ass into a tube attached to a bag. Okay, well, that's where you're headed. You have a bullemic asshole! That's not good, man. I don't care what anyone else says, something bad WILL happen. Take care of your butt! You only have one, and it doesn't want to be purged anymore.
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Hi TPT,
I used to use the bathroom as a santuary from patriarchal rage. I stopped short of worrying about actually defecating however. I just sat there and read a magazine hoping my father would go to the store or occupy himself in some other way, although it would often occur that he would steam around the house and then start jabbering at me to finish up and get out. Eventually I just started ingoring him, and seeing as he could not provoke the reaction he desired for his misplaced frustrations he essentially changed tactics.
Anyway, the story is obviously more involved (as is any familial complications) but just wanted to say that I once too shared a similar frustration. One question though: How is your current relationship with your father? Maybe resolving something there could help your residual anxious behaviors.

Update?

I have a similar, somewhat related problem, minus the abuse history. I can poop just fine most of the time, but recently I've had trouble pushing the last bit out. (Ew ew ew it grosses even me out.) I wouldn't mind most of the time, but during sex I'm always worrying about the disgusting shtuff finding it's way out at an inopportune moment. I'm not talking about anal sex here. I'm talking about normal, vanilla vaginal sex compressing that whole area, along with the bearing down then letting muscles go that comes with orgasm. Once (okay, a couple times) I have found defecation evidence on my sheets after sex, once it was enough for my boyfriend to notice. He was really cool about it and understanding, but I feel really ashamed about the whole thing. I've started using a latex glove after a "normal" bowel movement to (yuck yuck) dig out the remaining content. It's as though the outermost muscles of my anus aren't strong enough to push it out without the weight and momentum of the whole, uh, load behind it. (Which is strange, because I'd guess that kegals would strengthen all those muscles...)
Any suggestions? Should I start my own topic post? This is the first time I'm on this site; web searches aren't very fruitful.

Cowardess Supreme, I have the same problem. There is a name for it--I found it once during a web search a long time ago but I can't remember it and can't find it again. I want advice. Is the only way to deal with this to put your finger up there? It's suuuuch an irritating feeling and it's such a gross remedy. I worry that the more I do it the worse I'm making it. WTF?!?

Unless the poop is actually in the anal canal, I think you should just wait for your next bowel movement. If the poop is in the rectum, there is not enough left to stimulate peristalsis until the next time. It shouldn't come out unless you push. When it is joined by more, it will come. If you have to use your finger, use it to push the turd back in. (By the way, is it hard or soft?)

Another idea: Wait longer on the pot after your first wave of poop. You may simply be having a multi-wave movement; waiting an extra minute or so may let that last bit move down into position to be pushed out. My poll on this site showed that a large percentage of people have more than one wave or impulse of poop during a single bowel movement, at least some of the time.

Anon Cow 3/25/08, Try reading Poopreport while you're waiting for the stragglers as you just might need to sit a little longer. Find a funny story or thread so when you laugh, those little poop chicklets will just pop out. I used to complain about the tidbit leftovers that wouldn't leave too. I had no problem whipping a glove on, lube up my finger and round up the dry poop chicklets with the sharp edges and scoop them out. I didn't enjoy the finger by no means. Butt if I didn't do the finger sweep up, my heart would race and I had the uncomfortable feeling like I needed to have a bm all day. Hate that.

(snicker) poop chicklets...

She's good.

Aren't they the same as poopcorn? (salted or sweet, its all the same to me)

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like a constipated accountant- I worked it out with a pencil.

I get tiny, tiny bits of poop stuck in my rectum. Tiny hard things that just hang out and irritate the hell out of me. The only way I can find to deal with them is to lube up a finger and dig 'em out. Usually I have a normal poo in the morning, and then in the evening I feel the gravel in my rectum. I don't feel the need to shit--I mean it's not like my bowels need to move, but my butt's so irritated I have to dig out those little bits. They're dark and hard and often ridgy. I have hemmoroids too. I've tried fiber and water, laxatives, exercise, etc. I once had surgery to loosen my inner sphincter. I wonder if that causes the gravel to move down instead of waiting for the next real dump.

SO...... you're kind of like a "POOP-EMIC" then? that can't be health..... i imagina you would strain the anus musclus and stretch the general rectel cavity... i sugjest consulting a physition IMIDIATLY.
P.S. fruit helps, my favorite
"natural laxitive"
is the Korean Pear Apple.
They are delicious and very JUICY!!!!! spectacular for lusiouc poops you will be proud of...