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Shameless In Seattle: A Tour of Public Bathrooms

Posted 11.27.2006 by Fart Poopie (1258)
Editor's note: A few months ago, GottaGoGirl reported on the state of Seattle's fancy public toilets -- and the fact that Seattleites have actually seen an increase of poop on the streets since they've been installed. Last week, Fart Poopie decided to investigate the situation in person.

Finding ourselves in Seattle recently, Mr. Poopie and I decided to take a stroll down by the docks and Pike Place Market. As we walked around, looking at the different shops, the urge to pee hit me like a slap in the face (or bladder, as it were). Between some of the indoor shops were bathrooms with big "Not a Public Restroom" signs near them. The sign and the key card access locks made it obvious that they were for shop employees only, but I was determined to get in there and pee. Someone must have been watching over me that day because, as I approached the door, a woman walked out. I grabbed the door before it closed and walked in.

This bathroom was disgusting. Everything was brown with what I hoped was rust, and the floors were wet. I walked into the first stall, set down three seat liners (just in case -- it was a gross-looking seat), and sat down. That's when I saw this:

As many of you know, Seattle has a large Asian population. It appears squatting is a big "problem" there. This sign made the disgusting bathroom conditions seem not as bad. It gave me a good laugh, and I immediately dug my phone out of my pocket to snap a photo to share with you all.

Later on, Mr. Poopie and I started to get a little hungry. As we were trying to figure out where to eat, we found this:

Mr. Poopie said he needed to pee, so we waited for the doors to open. And waited. And waited. About five minutes later a boy walked out, but then the doors quickly closed to start the self-cleaning process, and Mr. Poopie again had to wait. The blue light in this picture indicates that the bathroom is cleaning itself.

It took about ten to fifteen minutes before the doors opened. But there were still fast food cups and other containers all over the floor, and the place looked like a dump. I couldn't snap a picture at this point because my camera phone was full and Mr. Poopie REALLY had to go. While he peed, I went through the arduous process of emailing photos to myself so as to clear up some memory in my phone. Mr. Poopie came out, the doors closed, the blue light turned on, and we decided to go eat before coming back and taking more pictures.

On our way back from lunch, we met a utility worker near the bathroom. He was waiting to get in. I didn't catch his name, but he was a very nice man who told me how Seattle had spent over 3.5 million dollars in order to put seven of these bathrooms around the city. He gave me the impression that he thought they were a waste of money. I suggested that perhaps the city should rent the outside walls to advertisers, as a way to recoup some of the money (an idea that I got from one of you smart PoopReporters). The utility worker thought this was a good idea.

About eight minutes of conversation later, the doors opened and a bum walked out. The doors quickly closed so that the bathroom could clean itself.

The bum, whom I suspected was just using the bathroom to stay out of the rain, stood next to us. He told me what a waste of money these bathrooms were, and that Seattle had spent sixty thousand dollars on each one. I found it ironic that he would say this, since he was using the restroom as his own one-room, half-bath (three-fourths, if you count the sprayers as a shower), sixty thousand dollar house; but I wasn't about to call him an idiot. I commented on the filthy conditions we had witnessed earlier, and the bum informed us that someone had come by earlier to clean it up. I also found that amusing: Seattle has seven expensive self-cleaning restrooms that require someone to come in a few times a day to clean them up.

Another ten or fifteen minutes passed before the doors opened again. Mr. Utility Worker, who must have had a bladder and anus of steel to hold it all in so long, told me to go ahead and get another picture. He didn't want me to wait another twenty minutes. What a sweet and darling man to put PoopReport before his need to go! I quickly snapped this:

And then I got out of the way so the utility worker could go relieve himself. Notice the cute teddy bear. I'm sure he loved it there.

I want to apologize for the poor quality of the photos and for not sticking around to take better ones. Camera phones are not renowned for their quality pictures, and Mr. Poopie and I wanted to do other things besides hang around a public toilet for hours. These things take a ridiculously long time to spray themselves down; so if you need to pee, I suggest you find another restroom. Or an alley.

Great comment! +1 point
Bunga Din (1239) -- 11.27.2006

I congratulate Fart Poopie on an excellent report and the determination she and her hubby had in getting the "dirt" on this.

Firstly in this instance I believe the folks of Seattle and especially the people using these facilities are properly coined Seattioletans (correct me if I'm wrong Daphne). From reading this report it boggles my mind that some city politico could justify blowing this kind of money on an extravagance like this type of toilet, and for the user to experience anything less that a stunningly superior experience.

While I do see merit in providing public facilities and utilizing technology the kind of money mentioned by Joe citizen (1/2 mil per sounds about right) is a waste. Toronto is also looking at adding similar facilities in the downtown and I think several other options should be considered before going this route.

The fact a street person felt this money was a waste is usually a good indication of how flawed the idea is. Too often we have a council member being plied with glossy brochures, a few fine meals and a great pitch to "bring the latest in technology" to their city to "put it on the map" as a real leader. What they won't often say is that these savings in cleaning costs are more than a cover up of the extravagant costs of maintenance. So what if a city worker doesn't have to clean it, city workers will still be dispatched to ensure that everything is working as it should on a daily basis (as Poopie has mentioned) and furthermore the cost to maintain these will no doubt be born by the city (taxpayer).

Why not go low tech? A simple grouping of Port-a-Pottys visited on the same frequency and cleaned by a city worker (maybe a bum that is given the chance to rehab himself) and you not only lessen the capital expenditure by a few million but also provide a job to someone who wants a job and is willing to take anything.

My understanding is the minimum wage in Seattle is $7.63/hr, based on a 40 hour work week this tallys to $15,870.40 per year, now lets see...they have seven locations, lets assume it's too far to travel between them so we need to hire 7 individuals, so this works out to total cost of having a person on site for each washroom for 40 hours per week is $111,092.80 per year. Based on the cost of 3.5 mil for seven toilets we could have these people employed for over 31 years. Now I realize that this is not sound math but I'm trying to point out there is NO WAY that you can justify this expense and say "It saves money" or "provides a necessary service at a reasonable price". You could formulate so many other ways to provide the service of a public facility at nowhere near the cost to the taxpayer and at the same time reduce the number of people looking for entry level employment.

Toronto just got done spending $43 Million dollars INVESTIGATING (YES just Investigating!) a contract valued at a little over $100 million dollars and what they found (and this counts for all major cities)was that they had been led down the primrose path of saving money on something when in the long term that $100 million contract really was going to come in at about twice that when all real expenses were considered.

I hear Seattle is a terrific city, as I know Toronto is , but this idea and extravagance in my opinion is SHIT!

Anonymous Coward (not verified) -- 11.27.2006

My God. Think how many regular Public toilets
could of been built for the cost of just one of things. What good is a self-cleaning toilet if someone still has to manualy clean it everyday. And by the sounds of things, more than once a day.

healthy 1 (1430) -- 11.27.2006

To cut down on messes, there should be a sign in all public bathrooms that reads: "This is a self cleaning toilet, clean up after yourself when you finnish.

The biggest problem with public bathrooms is, people are careless and irresponsible with their excrete.
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DungDaddy (1465) -- 11.27.2006

This is true "poopreporting." Thank you, Fart Poopie.

Grogan (98) -- 11.27.2006

Having lived in the Seattle area for many years, I remember when these were first put in place. On paper it sounds like a great idea. I myself have used them a couple of times.
What is funny, is that there was a news report done on these facilities and the outcome was that more often than not these shitters were used for drug deals and low end hooking.

Now think about that before the next time you use one of them.

Fart Poopie (1258) -- 11.27.2006

Thanks, Bunga and DungDaddy.

I agree with Grogan. These toilets probably seemed like a good idea on paper, but they turned out not to be such a good idea in practice. A row of port-a-potties would have been a little stinkier, but cheaper and more useful.

Grogan (98) -- 11.27.2006

btw Bunga Din people from seattle are Seattelites.

The Thunderous ... (741) -- 11.27.2006

Well I still say the Borgata has the BEST restrooms in A.C. The doors go all the way to the floor and its perfect for dookie dropping in peace. Volume is not sacrificed either because of the marble for you ass trumpeteers out there. Kudos to the Borgotcha!

The Big Wiper (2292) -- 11.27.2006

Grogan: I did not know that citizens of Seattle were called Seattleites. But then I guess it makes sense with the Space Needle and all.

DungDaddy (1465) -- 11.27.2006

I thought They were Seattlonians.

The Flight of the Bumfullbee (not verified) -- 11.27.2006

One thing in this story struck me, and I thought I'd add a bit to it: 'Seattle has a large Asian population. It appears squatting is a big "problem" there,' according to the story above.

The "squatting" problem is incredible in some places. Particularly amomg Filipinas/Filipinos, it is very common for them to squat on the toilet seat and let fly. The men even do this to piss, rather than standing up. The seats become progressively more disgusting as the day goes on. I don't care how many toilet liners you give me, I'll never sit on a toilet one of these folks have defiled. It's amazing that they would probably feel more at home squatting over a hole in the ground. The concept of sitting comfortably to enjoy a dump is one they really haven't adopted.

Fart Poopie (1258) -- 11.28.2006

Speaking of squatting: I don't know if anyone else noticed this (heck, I just noticed now myself) but that toilet is very... flat. It looks like a seat where you can get a good footing should you want to squat on it. Maybe this was done on purpose?

ChiknGreez (52) -- 11.28.2006

The pictures really kept me on track, you're a pro!

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 11.28.2006

FP, good report! I think maybe the toilet is shaped the way it is so that there aren't a lot of curves for muck to get stuck in. Streamlined is easier for the cleaning action to do it's thing.

Grogan (98) -- 11.28.2006

TBW its washingtonians, and Seattlelites. Of course the town I grew up in at one point was called Carnation. and yeah people called us Carnies. Glad I've moved out of that name.

SamDamnit (1196) -- 11.29.2006

Where is the the toilet paper? How does it not get wet when this thing sprays itself down?
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Double Flush (632) -- 11.29.2006

Is there a protective cover for the TP, does the whole thing not get sprayed (only the toilet and such), or what? What about the teddy bear? Wouldn't it get sprayed too?

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GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 11.29.2006

I wondered about that when I did the BMN. Didn't think to bring it up; thanks, Sam. Good question! Fart Poopie?

Jake Scwarz (not verified) -- 11.29.2006

I still like these... and lately I've found them open, cleaning (and then open) or in use (then cleaning, then open) It was a few months ago that I saw the perpetually-closed one, and I've seen that one open now, too. SEVEN, though? I know where three are - Pioneer Square (in Occidental Park) on the waterfront (south end, shown in the photo above, pier 58 to be exact) and Broadway (across from Bonney-Watson Funeral Home, just up the street from Seattle Central Community College) I might have guessed that there would be one in the International District/Chinatown (look out for squatting shitters!) but I'm told there's also one near Pike Place, I'm guessing at the park at the far north end by Cutter's Restaurant.

Here's a link to an article from Real Change, a donation-funded newspaper distributed by the homeless.

They bring up a few good points. One, how on Earth does the public-shitting problem go UP after these were installed? That really makes no sense. I highly doubt homeless people are rebelling against the use of these new toilets by crapping on the sidewalks en masse. Second, yes, people shoot up in these. People have sex in them. Getting rid of the million-dollar toilets won't stop prostitution or drug use - all it'll do is make said people do it elsewhere, such as in view on the street (I've seen a 'ho screwing her john on a park bench under a blanket) or in other bathrooms (do NOT use the restroom at the Greyhound station!!)

I think we should evaluate ways to make these work FIRST, instead of making getting rid of them the first step and then going "Uh, okay...what do we do now?" Security cameras might help, but some people won't care. Vandalism will still happen, but let's face it - if it's expensive and not bolted down and protected by machine guns and laser cannons, at some point some wiseacre is going to break it, deface it or steal it. Once, I saw someone steal the "T" off the Tiffany's Jewelers sign at Pacific Place (a ritzy downtown shopping mall) not more than a minute after they shut and locked their doors (he just walked up and tore it off the wall!)

As for me, I have IBS. If I gotta go, and rthere is one of these around, I'll use it. Even if tenb minutes isn't enough time to do everything, it'll be enough time to release the "I'm going to explode" pressure until I can waddle to another restroom or wait for it to clean itself.

the log of hazzard (185) -- 11.29.2006

What's with the toilet? It's scary looking and I would never take a dump on that thing.


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Turdmaster (4) -- 05.09.2007

Here in holland I found a nice turd nest in a urinal...unfortunately it wasn't self-cleaning. It was in a bar and I regret that I didn't have a camera phone. Although I don't see too many pictures of actual poo around here (which I am grateful for).


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Miss Simone Scat (570) -- 08.01.2007

I would use the alley before using one of these.
Producing waste since 1967

Jake Scwarz (not verified) -- 07.22.2008

I just visited the one on Broadway last week. Inside was a pair of shitty jeans, on the floor in a heap. They stunk to high heaven of shit and cleaning solution. And everything was broken or defaced. It's really sad that, when anyone spends the money to provide something helpful, so many peoples' first thought is "How can I destroy this thing?"

Still, I'd rather see them kept. I still say that, once they're gone, the next step will be a dull "Okay, what do we do now?" In all my years in Seattle - my entire life - a lot of it spent exploring odd, run-down or derelict places - I have never encountered shit on a city street, sidewalk or alley. Only in abandoned houses that were long-term squats.

ChiliKahKah (1175) -- 04.13.2009

Perhaps some new stimulus money will give the town more of these time wasting marvels.

Seattle Slewage (not verified) -- 04.13.2009

Looks like those high tech toilets Seattle spent a shitload of money on was flushed away. They sold them for $12,529 on Ebay.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_041009WAB-toilets-KS.c1201eef.html

ChiefThunderbutt (3059) -- 04.13.2009

Seattle Slewage...........Government officials just love to spend money on stupid projects. Here in Tennessee some Einstein came up with the idea of posting signs so we would know what watershed area we were in. Now if I stop my car and piss by the side of the road I know what lake or river it will end up in. It cost over a quarter of a million to put the signs up.
Money well spent or down the drain?


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daphne (4509) -- 04.14.2009

Here's my pet peeve of the decade - the military changing to black berets. Ten million dollars. For fucking hats. That the Rangers now can't claim as their own anymore.

And I've yet to meet a soldier that likes those damned berets.


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