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The Toilets of North Korea

Posted 06.14.2006 by Thunderbox (761)
We pulled up to Dandong station, on the Chinese side of the Yalu River, around seven AM. Two carriages of the train were North Korean sleepers. We were on the lead one. The journey had started out fourteen hours previously in Beijing.

This was a trip to the DPRK, as the locals prefer to call it, and we had just commenced what would turn out to be a five hour border crossing. Normally a border crossing would not have caused a great deal of anxiety, but for the fact that trains generally lock their toilets at stations to prevent vulgar heaps of feces building up between the platforms. Crossing the Chinese side didn't take more than an hour, and at that time of morning I wasn't ready for a dump.

But I didn't reckon for the DPRK's thoroughness on their side. Full baggage searches, books and magazines rifled through, even metal detected -- everything but the rubber gloves were brought out. All mobile phones and computers were held by the authorities. No GPS's, video cameras, or anything looking remotely professional were allowed to be carried on down the line. They were kept until we returned -- if we did.

I won't tell you much about the DPRK or its politics or history in general, as all this information is freely available on the Internet. I'd just like to let you know that this is the most bizarre and fucked-up country that you can ever come across. It has gone way beyond communism as it started out in 1945, thanks to Uncle Joe Stalin, and has turned into the one of the only extreme cultist country in the world -- a cult that also, unfortunately, has a nuclear, nerve gas, and biological arsenal that is truly frightening. The cult of Kim (both Il-Sung and his son, Jong-Il) is amazing. Everyone fears being taken off to the labor camps or being summarily executed for trivial reasons. Whole generations are sent to camps for tens of years for a single family member's slight mistake.

I was among those who were searched first, and after that a couple of us were desperate for a piss. We walked out to the platform and signaled our plight to one of the guards, who reluctantly pointed across the track to a building that presumably had a bathroom. The toilet itself was downstairs, and smelled rank. The floor was awash with water (I hoped), a row of cubicles (which we didn't look into), and a couple of urinals -- proper Western ones attached to the wall. Relief. No water in the basins, which was apparently normal due to rationing. But there was a concrete trough at waist height, full of water -- for hand washing? For toilet flushing? I didn't try it -- I had plenty of wet wipes back on board. What did puzzle me was where the water on the floor came from.

The train got going again, and a little further down the track I had the urge to take a dump. I normally go once a day shortly after breakfast, but I'd been thrown off schedule by the long flights to Beijing and time zone changes. I knew there was no paper in the toilet, but as a seasoned pro, I had brought a roll of our finest with me. It was a squat toilet set in a metal floor, and bouncy as hell as all the DPRK tracks are fucked. It's not just a case of squatting down and dropping the payload -- one hand is trying to grab the window on the right while the other is pressing against the wall in front just to keep braced and upright. Once the turd has been let out onto a small, low flap on the floor and the toilet paper laid on top, you have to stand up and press a large button on the floor with your foot, which frees the crap to drop onto the rails below. Very windy up the ring, as well.

That was an ominous bathroom experience, but the next few days were completely different. We were in one of the few luxury hotels in Pyongyang. (They like to concentrate the foreigners so as to be able to control their movements.) All rooms are bugged to hear what the foreigners are saying about the Dear Leader. God knows what they made of my high-decibel beer farts.

I'd just had breakfast on the second or third day, and was in my bathroom taking a dump. It was a Western pan, but the water level was disturbingly high -- perhaps six inches from the rim. My normal stool is a quality twelve-inch dark brown specimen (although it normally breaks into two or three minor logs on hitting the water), and is a good inch and a bit in diameter. This turd was a little longer, but it was thinner, and broke into five or six loglets. The flush was scary as the water level rose to just under the brim before disappearing down the bend. It rose again to its original level, with no turds resurfacing. Sigh of relief.

A few more days were spent in and around Pyongyang -- the mountains to the east, the west coast, sightseeing at the DMZ. Each day became more and more surreal as history was transformed and reality was seriously altered. The guides/minders, of which we had two, never let us out of their sight. Every place we went to see also had its own guide, whom our guides had to translate into English. All of them, without exception, had a favorite phrase: "U.S. Imperialist Aggressors." This phrase, which stems from the Korean war -- they are still technically at war with South Korea, since only a ceasefire has been called, which is why there are a million-plus soldiers facing off across the 38th parallel -- this phrase was spoken at every available opportunity.

After an especially early breakfast in preparation for a long drive through several ancient sites to the DMZ, I found myself lacking the chance to get the lift up to my room for a shit. I headed instead for the lobby toilets so I could go before the bus went. Three traditional Western pans, one squatter, and two urinal bowls. (Incidentally, I noticed that the Koreans would never use the urinals if a white man was using one; he'd always dive into a stall. Maybe it's dick size paranoia. I don't know.) So I went into a stall -- nice and clean, apart from a little piss on the seat and no lock on the door. I looked for the toilet paper. None. Not even a holder. Back out to check the others -- all the same. Then I spotted a dispenser on the wall. Just the one -- I'd dismissed it as a towel dispenser when I came in.

And this is the amazing thing about the DPRK: when you do find toilet paper, it's genuine, first class quality! Three ply! Almost like cloth -- superb, better than anything I've ever come across. So the attendant stared at me in disbelief and horror as I hauled off five or six feet of his precious three ply. How was I to know how much I'd need, for fuck's sake? I imagined him thinking: "You scumbag imperialist aggressor -- how dare you waste the Democratic People's valuable three-ply on your worthless Western asshole!"

He was probably right -- I only used half of it, and flushed the rest out of spite.

Koreans love a food called kimchi, which is a pickled, fermented cabbage with chili. They eat it at breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I'd developed a taste for it; and together with eating massively more than normal, and drinking copious amounts of beer with every meal apart from breakfast, my stools were becoming bountiful. The worrying thing was the shape of them. The olive color I put down to an excess of cabbage -- but the main difference was that the length had grown to around two to three feet, and the diameter had decreased to an inch or so. My logs were like anorexic sea snakes, usually breaking into eight or ten loglets each three or four inches long. Double flushing was now the order of the day, as there would normally be two or three recidivist, counter-revolutionary turds that would not follow the masses down with the first flush.

We hopped around the country, encountering much the same in the way of pans. The only slight deviation was in Kaesong, down by the DMZ, where they hadn't quite grasped the concept of bolting the bowls to the floor. This meant a very wobbly unloading with a lot of liquid -- just leaking water, I hoped -- on the floor.

On the day before leaving for the train back to China, we got up very early to take in a full day of surreal sights. Too early even to have breakfast, so a packed breakfast came on board the bus. Yet more eggs and rice and kimchi were scarfed down, this on top of several bottles of beer and a massive bowl of dog soup that I'd had the night before. It was a soup of soups: delicious, but containing all manner of dog parts. I recognized general meat, liver, kidneys, and what appeared to be intestine but may have been dick. Who knows? So, during a mid-morning excursion to the Martyrs' Cemetery (another bizarre and expensive alteration of history), I asked one of the guides if there was a toilet. Rover was barking to be let out the back door. The guard replied in the affirmative -- but apparently this was a local-style public toilet.

I followed his directions to a concrete toilet block. Classic eighties commie architecture. It had no lights, but through the darkness I could see a stall door to the side of a concrete slab urinal. A long drop squatter lay beyond. With a window high up, it was easy to see how the locals used these shitters. They didn't use paper, but cleaned their rings with a finger or two and then wiped them on the wall, which was streaked with an alarming variety of colors.

I assumed the position, let the dog out, wiped with my own paper, and went back into the main room before I was gassed with the stench of not just my own offering but the contents of the pit below. My eyes got used to the gloom: no running water in the basin, and another trough, but empty.

Then I saw it. At the base of the urinal, spread from the gutter up across the curb and down again onto the floor, was a two or three pound log. And it was very, very green. What kind of fucker would do that? Didn't wipe, either -- no paper or leaves or even finger marks around. Dirty bastard. Especially considering that the place was surrounded by fairly thick woodland.

If I've brought one thing back from the DPRK, it's that turd terrorism is not just a Western problem. It's a worldwide menace.

Double Flush (582) -- 06.14.2006

This is a very interesting report, and a great description of DPRK. I got a lot out of this. I think it's insane how people are treated over there. Then again, it's all they know, just as we are accustomed to the ways of the U.S.

Interesting how the green turd was just left there like that. I guess it just goes to show you that you can't get away from T.T. anywhere you go. At least it comes in "an alarming variety of colors" so it's not as boring!

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KeepOnCrappin (545) -- 06.14.2006

Damn. I didn't know that they had hotels in Korea. Just goes to show what you can learn on the internet.

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C Everett Poop (587) -- 06.14.2006

I was stationed in Seoul for 2 years that seemed like 20 and they are just as repulsive, though not as paranoid. I have seen Korean mothers take a baby's shitted diaper off on the subway and leave it on the floor. They don't clean dogshit up, ever. They spit snot loogies on the floor in buildings, busses and trains.

Also, any culture that eats dogs is lower than a pack of spider monkeys in my opinion. When I become president, I will nuke the entire peninsula, from Vladivostok to the mouth of the Yalu river. Shitting will be the least of their problems then.

Pipe Nightmare (68) -- 06.14.2006

And to think that there are people in the world that refer to President Bush as a dictator and terrorist. Bah!

Great travel log, Thunderbox. "You scumbag imperialist aggressor -- how dare you waste the Democratic People's valuable three-ply on your worthless Western asshole!" Man, that had me laughing pretty good! I especially liked the thought of the dogs barking to be let out.

Shitty Lawyer (not verified) -- 06.14.2006

Funny and fascinating. It is amazing how different the thinking is in other cultures-- regarding both politics and pooping.

Funniest line in this context: Double flushing was now the order of the day, as there would normally be two or three recidivist, counter-revolutionary turds that would not follow the masses down with the first flush.

Great work!

The Dumpster (2510) -- 06.14.2006

So the "theme" of this week is "shitting on the train."

Wish I had time to write up what happened to Little Dumpster and me last summer on the Empire Builder!

Great story, Thunderbox. Makes you appreciate America, after all.

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Logjam (2356) -- 06.14.2006

Great report, Thunderbox. It is disturbing to consider how the citizens of North Korea are fairing under the Kim's, and the risk North Korea poses to the world. But I also find it disheartening the degree to which the front pages of PR, a supposed promoter of world peace and civility, seem to have become overrun with Limbaugh Think and festering racism.

Tydirium (516) -- 06.14.2006

Amazing report. Somehow I figured NK would have ancient communist-era crappers that were three times as large as ours and used only dribbles of water.

Logjam: don't indict PoopReport. All of America is like this. PoopReport is actually a bastion of civility.

Thunderbox (761) -- 06.14.2006

Thanks for the encouragement guys, I`ll try to post a few more stories from around the world for you.

Northy (107) -- 06.14.2006

Papa Northy's boss goes to eastern countries all the time due to business and was disgusted on his first arrival to one country as there was no toilet roll but a little bowl of water. What you do is dab your left hand in the bowl, then wipe, then clean in the same water (repeat if necessary). All the bacteria and dirt sinks to the bottom leaving the top part of water clean (so they say). It is common custon there never to shake the left hand of another person. Since then he takes a briefcase full of toilet roll as to never use this primitive technique

wonderpance (504) -- 06.14.2006

man, my list of places i never want to go to is getting longer and longer.

excellent report, thunderbox!
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Anonymous Coward (not verified) -- 06.14.2006

North Korea certainly sounds dreadful! I think your reporter was a little unkind to South Koreans. I have known several who came to study or on vacation to England. Without exception they were courteous and appeared completely at home with European ways. They certainly did not wipe their arses with their left hands and left the crappatoium pristine. All whom I have known use the porcelain throne as we in the west do - they do not stand on the seat and squat, but may sit upright or lean forward to evacuate, just as Caucasians do. They tend to follow the Japanese (and Chinese) custom of wiping from back forwards, whilst remaining seated, although I had a frind who sat upright and wiped from a standing position. Koreans are more friendly and easy to approach than Japanese, who also teach us good manners and who can prove very loyal friends. It is true that South Korea is politically corrupt and that, despite this, is supported by the USA as a bastion against the spread of communism in South East Asia. The individual people are, however,from my exerience, very warm and friendly and very well disposed to Caucasians. I find their habit of eating dogs very unattractive, but I eat cows, sheep and pigs and, during the war (1939-45), watched as an uncle skinned rabbits, which my mother happily cooked. It is entirely what you are used to and in Korea the dog is not "man's best friend", as he is in England, but has the same status as sheep, pigs and cows have in Europe.

We must all hope that freedom comes sooner, rather than later, to the North Koreans. A re-unified country prospering through its techical and production engineering skills, will provde a stable and fast growing platform for Asian deveopment.

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George Eliot Butterz (244) -- 06.14.2006

Nice report Thunderbox.

CEP: I once had a job offer in Seoul. Turned it down, thought it wouldn't be a god Korea move. b-boom-sh


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The Shit Volcano (3646) -- 06.14.2006

Thunderbox, I loved your report! North Korea is one place I didn't think we would ever see a Travel Log. Thanks for braving the cesspools of bathroomdom to bring us this wonderful adventure!

I loved your term, "let the dog out" after referring to the dog soup above. That had me on the floor!

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GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 06.15.2006

Yep! Travel Logs are my FAVORITE! Thanks for a great story, Thunderbox!

Growing up, my best friend was Korean (I presume she still is Korean!). Her parents emmigrated when she was only 3. If you asked them about Korea, they would just say, "Oh, Koreas not a nice place. Better here!"

I guess I can see why.

In The Bushes (111) -- 06.15.2006

I also enjoyed the story. I always have mixed feelings, too, about the amount of xenophobia that seems to be promoted from time to time and place to place, but I don't really think this story was meant in that way. Every time one visits a new place there are unfamiliar things that take some getting used to, and that makes for great stories! As long as the writer doesn't denigrate the people he or she is in contact with in said place, I think it's okay. It's important to respect others and understand that just because we don't prefer to do things their way, that doesn't mean that there isn't a reasonable explanation for things as they are (albeit possibly one that is not comprehensible to an outsider.) I think that Thunderbox has kept that in mind, and I found his report to be respectful. In fact, it sort of made me want to go to North Korea to check things out for myself.

wonderpance (504) -- 06.15.2006

i forgot that i had a question.

do they really eat dogs there?? i always thought (hoped) that it was just a myth. people can't seriously be eating dogs, can they?? i mean, i know there are people who eat bugs and monkeys and stuff like that, but dogs?? man's best friend?? that just can't be.
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In The Bushes (111) -- 06.15.2006

People eat dogs in many countries. Who or what is your best friend is subjective. Now, I'm a vegetarian, but yet I do see that the line we draw is arbitrary in terms of what is or is not acceptable to eat. If you don't think of an animal as your pet, and if you believe it's ok to eat animals, then anything is up for the eating. We attribute human qualities to dogs and cats, so to us eating one is like cannibalism, but in a society where human attributes aren't linked with animals, that's a different story.

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 06.15.2006

I think one of the issues is what the ANIMAL eats. Generally speaking, herbivores taste the best, at least to humans. Cows, poultry, even goat and rabbit (sorry, Daph!).

People DO eat bears, which are omnivores, and I am told you can taste the difference. People usually do not eat other "meat eaters". Strict carnivores, I understand, do not a tasty stew make.

Although, pigs are omnivores, aren't they? "You use up everything on the hog but the squeal!" Pork isn't "gamey". So I dunno.

ANYWAY, dogs and coyotes and wolves are by and large carnivores, so my understanding is that they wouldn't taste good.

Then again, I suppose ANYTHING tastes good when you're hungry enough.

Thunderbox (761) -- 06.15.2006

Wonderpance - believe me, dog is a delicacy there. They`re bred and raised just for eating. They have restaurants that specialise in only dog meat. The reason the North Koreans eat it is that it supposedly gives them good health and is beneficial in all sorts of ways to the human body. That`s what they believe anyway.

ITB is right as well, in the west dog may be man`s best friend, but not in other places. I`ve been to countries where all kinds of animals we think of as just nice wild animals are eaten - again mainly (this is what they believe) to enhance health, improve potency, give long life etc. I`m talking about having elephant, tiger, all manner of bears, lion, monkeys, apes, gibbons, endangered species you name it - I`ve seen it on a menu or on a stick on a barbecue.

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 06.15.2006

~~warning~~ Gross:

I remember a tour guide in Venezuela horrifying tourists with the story of people capturing a monkey, pinioning it in a special table with a hole in the middle, so just his head was on top. Then the honored guests would be treated to, uhm... yeah. And they'd all get spoons.

ANYWAY, I was just reading that the Japanese deify dogs, and keep them as little idol protectors for their babies and such. It must be even more repugnant to them to know that the Koreans eat dog.

daphne (3325) -- 06.15.2006

Well, as the older generations die out and world pressure mounts, the eating of dogs hopefully will cease. Usually, the dog eaten is the Jindo, which is so sad. They're beautfil. The cruelty involved is the worst problem, though, more than eating the dogs. The dogs are put into tiny cages and killed in horrible ways.

Then again, I am amazed at the temperance the Korean government has holding its tongue when attacked for this by the USA. We treat our pigs and cows and chickens as bad as the dogs are treated.

Anyhoo, I too liked this story. We've had kimchi visit here, and it was once accompanied by Soju, which made the next day smellier than possible to imagine.

Those DMZ soldiers are machines. I swear, if technology died tomorrow and the world's armies had to revert to good old fashioned hand to hand and guerilla tactics, the DMZ soldiers would be among the world's top killers.

Let's hear it for tanks and big things that go boom.


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Thunderbox (761) -- 06.15.2006

Daphne - about the DMZ soldiers, you`re not wrong. For the entire length of the DMZ the North Koreans have a good 2km of solid tank traps. They also have hundreds of tunnels leading into South Korea. They have an artillery capability of 500,000 rounds an hour hitting Seoul, which is only 40 miles or so across the border. They can unleash 100,000 special forces into the south within a few hours. Quite scary if it came to anything.

The North Koreans only play with the US and the rest of the world to gain financial and food aid, a huge amount of the people are still starving, millions have died from this since the early 1990`s due to Kim`s stupidity and stubbornness.

Thunderbox (761) -- 06.15.2006

C Everett - on a lighter note, would you be interested in joining me in taking over eastern Congo as our own country. I`ve been there before when it was called Zaire, and Mobutu Sese Seke ran the place. Wonderful country, rolling hills, lakes, quality agriculture, minerals etc. What do you think? I`ve been considering this for some years and now may be our moment.

Double Flush (582) -- 06.15.2006

Those in India or wherever cattle are sacred probably see us as being utterly blasphemous as we go to our restaurants and homes eating beef. They are just accustomed to eating dogs. It's even in an Asian video game my roommate has.

As far as other animals being eaten--don't eat primates, because so many people think humans are closely related (I see very little resemblance myself). And never eat a big cat. Tigers are sacred to me, and lions and others are close enough too.

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Thunderbox (761) -- 06.15.2006

I`m afraid you`re wrong there DF - Indians certainly won`t eat dogs. I lived in Sri Lanka for a year (and spent some time in India)and can testify to that. Saying that, I wish they did as you can`t walk about without packs of wild shitty dogs running around, no doubt full of rabies.

Gaseous G (not verified) -- 06.15.2006

So were you there on business or pleasure?

The Dumpster (2510) -- 06.15.2006

I have never eaten dog, but I have eaten a little pussy every now and then.

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Logjam (2356) -- 06.15.2006

So we can infer, then, that it is Hermoine who has downed a little dog.

The Dumpster (2510) -- 06.15.2006

Hermione, ordinarily the daintiest of women, has developed a gargantuan appetite in that regard.

As an observation about nature, generally the bigger dogs are more successful at having their way with the little pussies.

As an observation about Dumpster/Hermione, however, the little pussy conquers the big dog every time!

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The Big Wiper (2240) -- 06.15.2006

This just in from Miss Manners: "Miss Manners finds the discussion of tasting parts of the female anatomy to be totally impolite and demands that it cease at once. Furthermore, she wishes to remind everyone that those who are truly getting some do not have to talk about it. How can they? Their mouths are full, so to speak."

The Dumpster (2510) -- 06.15.2006

Wonder how much has Miss Manners ever gotten? If Miss Manners ever had a really good climax, I'll bet the etiquette business would be OUT of business!

I don't recall that we invited her to this discussion, anyway.

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Double Flush (582) -- 06.16.2006

Well Dumpster, one of my friends has brought to light that we men are actually taught to be submissive in a sort. We might be on top in bed usually, but in the end we always end up being servant to her.

When is Hermoine joining PR? ;)

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The Dumpster (2510) -- 06.16.2006

I'm afraid Hermione is of the Miss Manners/TBW school of thought, DF (i.e she doesn't believe in talking with her mouth full).

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Double Flush (582) -- 06.16.2006

She'd probably see me as a dirty filthy subhuman thing, then. I have manners where appropriate. With friends, all of us are talking at once and chewing and talking with our mouths wide open, both elbows on the table, food all over our trays, etc. and no one cares.

Too bad she wouldn't join us here. That'd be awesome.

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The Dumpster (2510) -- 06.16.2006

DF, your inquiry about Miss Hermione joining us here has prompted me to pose, on the forums, the question "How many of you have a relative on PR?"

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C Everett Poop (587) -- 06.17.2006

Thunderbox, you are on your own in Africa. I have been there and if I ever set foot on that continent again, it will be at gunpoint. I am planning to start a separatist compound/labrador retreiver rescue in Montana or Idaho when I retire from the Navy in 2 years, keeping my Southerm Cal headquarters open for the cold months of course.

the log of hazzard (184) -- 06.18.2006

Those squatter toilets are really cool. You don't have to worry about clogging or anything.

Also, the whole finger thing is nasty.

Thunderbox (761) -- 06.19.2006

C Everett - don`t be such a wimp, we just need to raise a small, well equiped battalion and we could do it. It would be like a modern day version of that film based on Kipling`s story (the one with Sean Connery and Michael Caine - The King and I ?) - except we`d live happily ever after.

Thunderbox (761) -- 06.19.2006

Nope - it was "The Man Who Would Be King" - sorry guys.

daphne (3325) -- 06.20.2006

Actually the real hypcrisy of how India sees us for the way we treat cows is that they treat their cows like total shit too. Just because they're not supposed to eat them doesn't mean they are nice to them.

Cows in India are marched to death at the borders, often being beaten along the way, and the leather trade in India has turned many a head. They may not eat them, but I think they're still killing them for their hides.

I need to do some more reading. Can't remember the exacts, and I hate to spew bullshit about this stuff.


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Double Flush (582) -- 06.20.2006

Good luck in your searches, daphne. I'll be watching here and in the forums for a sign of some more information.

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Thunderbox (761) -- 06.22.2006

I`ve been there a few times Daphne, and they don`t treat cows well at all. They are supposed to be sacred, so are allowed to wander anywhere (specially in the cities) and eat any old shit that they can come across. Indians have no respect at all, in general, for the animals in their country.

Kurt B Verplunger (11) -- 07.07.2006

I heff been monitoring zis site from ze embassy und am disappointed to see zat you are making fun viz our comrades in DPRK. Ve are alvays vatching you - remember zis.

Thunderbox (761) -- 07.13.2006

I`m back home now Kurt, so do you disagree with my findings? I`ve seen your Embassy in London, it`s a shithole.

turd banned it (52) -- 07.20.2006


___Kimchi & Korean crappers go together well, I was stationed at Ouijombu for a year, We'd run 5 miles every morning, right past the rice paddies which were fertilised with human shit, After a night of intense beer drinking, The stench was enough to make you blow chunks____
"show that turd who's boss"

Anonymous Coward (not verified) -- 07.24.2006

those squater toilets are something else. i never know which direction to face. i aint as young as i used to be and my knees are a constant reminder of that. i am afraid that i am gonna fall in the next time i am over there. and whats up with them putting the tp in the trash can?

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