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No more football for man in the ladies room

Posted 10.04.2005 by Logjam
You wouldn't expect a professional football team to be dishing out harsh treatment to its male fans for ultra-macho behavior. But when a male fan was caught using the women's restroom during a Pats-Packers game in Foxborough's Gillette Stadium, the team revoked six season tickets that belonged to the guest's Connecticut-based company.

Six season tickets being a valuable commodity, the company sued the New England Patriots to regain them. But last Friday a state appeals court judge ruled in favor of the team. The judge thought the action by the Patriots was "Draconian" -- but within their rights. Imagine an opera company disciplining women for using the men's room during intermission. This will never happen. Seems to me that this double standard has been around for some time now. Is it justifiable?

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The Big Wiper (2292) -- 10.04.2005

No, the double standard is not justifiable, but it has long existed. A man using a ladies' room has generally been viewed as a pervert and dealt with far more harshly than a woman using the mens' room.

Women using the mens' room are generaly viewed as in an emergency situation, whereas men in the ladies' room are seen as trying to spy on the opposite gender.

There's also a double standard regarding sports reporters in locker rooms. Female reporters are allowed to intrude upon male lockers, sometimes catching them nude or using toilet facilities as a result. But it's not considered proper for male reporters to intrude in the same manner when female athletes (WNBA, etc.) are trying to dress.

The obvious solution to the double standard in the locker room situation is to provide for interviews in special rooms just outside the lockers, allowing the requested athletes to come to all reporters and giving the athletes the privacy they need to shower, piss, etc.

I don't know what the solution to the reaction of opposite gender use of bathrooms is, however. The reaction to the man using the ladies' room in this wire piece was definitely over the top.

Bilgepump (3036) -- 10.04.2005

TBW...I'm not sure if it was over the top or not...follow me on this: I'm the owner/corporation called the NE Patriots, and a woman is assualted in MY stadium's restroom, by man, who obviously isn't supposed to be there. In today's litigious society, thats a big can of worms to open, we all discussed this in the UNIsex post some time ago. Harsh? yes, it was. Send a message? I should hope so.
Addressing the double standard, I think it probably exists because we (the fellas) allow it to. I'm not sure how many guys are gonna actually say "Hey lady, you can't come in here!!"...I get the feeling we're kinda pigs like that. Maybe thats too general an assumption, I would like to think I would ask a woman to leave a men's restroom, but not having faced that situation, I cannot, in truthfullness, say that I would.

wonderpance (679) -- 10.05.2005

i don't like double standards, but i can't help but feel just a bit of satisfaction in knowing that it works the other way around sometimes.

Fart Poopie (1258) -- 10.05.2005

It doesn't surprise me that this happened. What I want to know is if the company at least got their money back.

DPiss (not verified) -- 11.26.2006

I have read some sites about legislation for women to go in men's room even with men using them when the women's room lines are long. I think that would be wrong. Yes, men maybe facing the urinals doing their business but when most men see women coming in to invade their male privacy, they may do some thing to make these women feel uncomfortable: expose themselves to them, going to the closed stalls to peek at these women, do "strip shows," install video cameras in stalls (and producing these videos online), and other sexual harassment. Most men are not that mature no matter the location (even at a symphony orchestra concert. Many of those concerts serve alcoholic beverages beforehand). Women may even bring their little girls in there as well, which creates a situation for pedophilia. In other words, the entire situation can be a set up for men to get arrested for these indecent acts.

Sexual situations would arise in teenagers, which can result in the spread of diseases and pregnancy. The women's room in school might be empty but some girls may want to go to the men's room to harass, tease, or seduce the boys. These situations also breed and can increase immorality. A lot of females believe that men should not have privacy against females to pee but believe that women should have that privacy against men.

Girls are taught to be private with their genitalia. Boys are not (and they should be). That is not fair for females to invade the privacy of men in the restrooms. It is not fair for males to go into (occupied) female restrooms. Therefore, let's continue to keep them separated by law and ethics.

One solution is to build more women's restrooms. Another is to build those co-ed restrooms where there are floor-to-ceiling doors to separate each toilet. Maybe later once devices like the She-Pee" and the "P-Mate" become more popular among women, more women's restrooms could be built with urinals. These items should be introduced into American society once the female urinals are built, meaning that those companies should give them our free for the first several months before selling them in dispensers. Women should sacrifice privacy if they want to zip in and out restrooms equipped with urinals.

Oh, the thing about restroom doors especially at stadiums where the men's room door is open and they can be seen urinating, these restrooms should be rebuilt. Those sinks (and even stalls) are hidden away from public view but the urinals with the men using them aren't. The men's rooms should be built with some type of barrier to shield outside view of women passing by (or women at the door sticking their heads in calling for their little boys to hurry up). Women and girls should not be allowed to watch men and boys pee. We don't get to watch females pee. Maybe this is an issue that the ACLU should take up.

Jersey Pooper (not verified) -- 01.01.2007

Yeah, what is it lately with urinals in clear view from outside the restroom. I've run into a few where you can actually see mens penis's and their urine flow from outside. Outrageous !!! When I was in high school, the boys restrooms had doorless toilet stalls that faced the entry doors. Now THAT was humiliating !

Enzo Stuarti (not verified) -- 01.02.2007

"Imagine an opera company disciplining women for using the men's room during intermission."

WTF? Is that the best example you could come up with to make some kind of point?

I honestly believe that the typical woman opera attendee would be mortified at the mere suggestion that she enter the men's bathroom, let alone use one of the stalls while a group of men in close proximity listened to the splutters and splashes and multi-wipes.

Sorry, I've got no pity for any guy who's busted for using the women's room under the plea of "urgency". My ass.

Anyone who has ever attended an NFL game knows that most guys would rather hold it with legs crossed and sphincters clenched than miss a minute of the game by heading to the bathroom before the end of the quarter or the end of the half. That guy was probably the typical home team fan who just couldn't tear himself away when his team was on the field. Tough luck, buddy. I realize you'll regret for the rest of your life missing a single touchdown or interception just because you were in the bathroom taking care of business. Your life just won't be complete if all you get to do is see the play a thousand times on television replay.
No pity for this guy or for any other guy who pulls the same stunt. And if you say, "Oh, well maybe he had diarrhea," I'll tell you this: The last place you should be if you have the runs is at a big stadium that's likely to have unsanitary bathrooms, long lines to use them, and a good chance of there being little or no toilet paper when you do.

The Shit Volcano (3818) -- 01.02.2007

I suppose it depends on the reason he used the women's room. If the men's room had a huge line out the door and he really had to go, then I don't see anything wrong with it. However, if he was drunk as a skunk and was just too lazy to walk the three doors down to the men's room, then revoke his ass! The same should be done to a woman in the same situation.

The double standard thing drives me nuts because I have been burned by several of them. But society does have some weird ideas. Why is it that you can't walk around in public in your bra and panties, yet it is perfectly acceptable to wear a bikini outdoors? People are fucking weird!

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If a man farts and no one's around, does he make a sound?

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 01.02.2007

"...Why is it that you can't walk around in public in your bra and panties, yet it is perfectly acceptable to wear a bikini outdoors?..."

I have wondered about that for YEARS. Or women who jog in sports bras. If they were wearing a regular, tricot/strap/cup/eye-and-hook bra, they'd be told to put on a shirt. But if the "bra" is made out of jersey and elastic, that's okay.

I don't get it. I just posted on another thread that my mom routinely barged into the men's room if the women's was crowded or gross. "You use the same one at home!"

D-Piss (not verified) -- 01.07.2007

Women, stay out of the men's rooms. why? Becasue it will cause numerous problems. Women whould not be in an environment where they hear men fart , smell their crap, or smell the unflushed toilets with crap overflowing in abundance. Most stalls in men's rooms do not have toilet paper. Perverted men will be creative and think of many ways to intimidate women. For instance, the men will get quiet just to hear how the woman tinkles: "Oh, she's a gusher." "Oh, she may be a little pee-shy." "Oh, that's cute. I want to go in after her just to smell." Then they will look at the bottom of that stall to see what color panties she is wearing (when they are down to the floor). If she farts, the men will respond loudly and the woman will be too embarrassed to walk out of that stall. And she will try and glance at the men's penises at the urinals (or at the sinks if they are pissing in them). It is unfair for women to be granted privacy in restrooms and not men. Men have emergencies, too.

The establishments should do what they have to do to accommodate more women without invading the privacy of men. If there are two sets of restrooms, make one of the men's rooms a women's room, and have a sign pointing to the other set of restrooms where the other men's room is located that men can use. At that set, if there is a line of women at the women's room, have a sign pointing to that first set of restrooms where women are using exclusively. But beware.

One of these days this could lead to making all restrooms for women only and urinals will be built outside of the women's room for men to use (and women and little girls to watch them). To go beyond that, in movie theaters and concert halls where this takes place, there may be a side screen showing these men using these urinals (and the expressions on their faces).

Oh, and what is with the men's room doors are always open but the women's rooms are always closed? Isn't it proper etiquette for women to have doors already opened for them? No, society want "men to be seen," especially at the urinals.

DPiss (not verified) -- 01.22.2007

Okay, here is a great solution on expanding women’s restrooms in concert halls, movie theaters, stadiums, and other large venues where so many of them have to wait in long lines. In one, two or three of these major cities, one of those venues should rebuild the ladies’ room. Take those doggone couches and lounge chairs out of that area and build plumbing there. Install and wall or two full of urinals like in the men’s rooms. Let them have the divider between urinals (not latch doors like stalls).

After reading numerous articles about women can pee standing up (with and without any devices) and how many have done so is some surveys that indicate that over 80 percent have used men’s urinals, this is an opportunity to put it to the test. Take a crowded venue. It’s intermission, halftime, or the seventh inning stretch. A lot of women are standing in line with their bladders about to explode. If the women’s room have a wall of urinals and the toilet stalls are full while they are waiting, the power of suggestion (empty urinals = no waiting) will make women go to those urinals in this dire emergency and use them. The lines go down immediately. Those that don’t want to use the urinals can wait on the toilet stalls.

As more venues rebuild women’s restrooms and install more urinals, more women will know that they are available and can plan their outings accordingly. They can practice peeing standing up at home in the shower or bathtub. The female-oriented television channels and magazines can let women know that there is a solution. Women can insist on having urinals installed by petition, e-mail messages, to building contractors, owners of public establishments, “Potty Parity” legislation, and so on. Take a quote from a baseball story: “Build them and they will use them.” Now let’s see women using urinals in the movies like they show men using them.

GottaGoGirl (2615) -- 01.22.2007

I think the seating areas are provided because women sometimes need them. We might need to sit down to wait for a friend, fix the strap on our shoe, nurse a baby, change a pair of pantyhose that have a run, etc...

I agree that women need more stalls, but in a lot of cases, that little seating area is useful...

The Shit Volcano (3818) -- 01.22.2007

D-Piss, it would take a lot more than a few comments about my piss to intimidate me in the bathroom. My response to the "my she's a gusher" comment might be, "Thanks. I was once a gold medalist in the Loud Pee Olympics. Glad to see I haven't lost my touch."

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If a man farts and no one's around, does he make a sound?

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